Explain why such a memorial for 9:11 but not for more recent bigger disasters?

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  1. peoplevsmedia

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    Maybe I am naive, but I suspect this anual 9:11 grievings by the media has to do with war mongerism, to remind us that the threat is real and serving overseas (while they rape us in washington, economicaly, with the debt, enslavement on interest) is important.

    But don't try to insult my belief, explain your own theory why?
     
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    :omg: because it was an act of WAR?? I don't really think 'tha media' is so intent on memorializing 9-11. I can see lots of reasons why they HAVE to at this point otherwise they show all America that they really are on the other side. The Media is forced to do this because we'd do it WITHOUT them and they just can't have thaT. Don't worry though, they're doing their dirty work and we'll see more of it over the course of the next few days.
     
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    Which recent manmade disaster resulting in the loss of 3000 innocent lives would you suggest we memorialize?
     
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    An act of War was what caused 9:11 to happen in the first place according to the supposed mastermind which was Obama Biden, so therefor to grieve one side is in fact a propaganda, in other words not a full scope.

    And when you say "you'd do it anyway", I understand of course the families who lost loved ones and friends, but I'm not sure where US presidents or the rest of us come in any more then for any other natural disaster, unless of course our presidents feel guilty for causing this in the first place. that I can understand.
     
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    Do you really believe this is media driven and not something the families want?

    Personally, I don't think this is something that the families want us to ever forget.

    And I for one, don't want to ever forget.
     
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    Nor memorialize, I said did not memorialize. there were earthquakes and other things I forgot about but I think hunreds or thousands died, that Katrina volcano that happened several years ago in Florida - thousands died I think. but no one makes it political, this is clearly political
     
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    Okay. I see where you're coming from.
     
  8. E_Pluribus_Venom

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    9/11 made the world stop and watch... let's be clear on that. The impact was felt round the world, as people from all walks of life watched as the suggested "greatest nation on earth" suddenly appeared as vulnerable as the weakest. It was the Pearl Harbor of this era.. marking the second time cowards have led an attack on U.S. soil, only this time the targets were innocent civilians.

    People also don't need an annual reminder of looming threats, and that's not what this memorial is... unless you're willing to claim every other memorial is also that. The memorial is quite appropriate, and I'm looking forward to visiting it very soon.
     
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    100% sure. I know I am absolutely not interested in seing others grieve for me, ESPECIALY when most of the victims families do not even believe in the official government/media stories and elections show they voted for a president who promised to be AGAINST intervention in the middle east.

    Again, many families blame US intervention for it happening in the first place, in other words Clinton/Bush who made it on the news as the top grieving officials, you do not think that aggetates at least SOME of the victims families? I personaly do.
     
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    Your title mentions the memorial. Memorialize means to hold a memorial.

    But you've got a point about the Katrina volcano in Florida. And yes, you need to study up on your disasters.

    9/11 is political because foreigners attacked and killed Americans on our soil and it's our elected politicians job to keep us safe. It's impossible to compare an attack with a natural disaster like a hurricane... or volcano in Florida.
     
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    Like I said, I see what you mean. I was mistaken to post here.
     
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    Everything is God's work according to the Bible...

    What was Katrina's last and middle name anyway? Betcha she was there illegally!
     
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    Katrina Volcano. She was a hot lil number from Miami.
     
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    9/11 was plotted to instill terror, it succeeded. People are hurt more by 9/11 than i.e. katrina, it's just the way it happened. 20% of the people who died were heroes trying to save others.

    In addition, you do realize this is the 10th anniversary? That's the only reason it's such a big memorial this year.
     
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    ok, thank you for your replies
     
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    I'd like to see a memorial to the estimated 13,000 innocent cattle that died when the Teton Dam in Idaho collapsed in June of 1976.

    Poor cows... :(

    All those Big Macs, Whoppers, and Baconators... wasted. :D
     
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    One was a natural act which could not be avoided, the other was to inflict as much damage as possible on civilians.

    You did not have people forced to make the decision to leap 100 floors to their death rather than be engulfed in an inferno fueled by Jet A because of a natural disaster.

    I guess... the easiest way I can put it is... if you hit a pothole and fall off your bike and break your arm... it sucks. You can try to be more careful next time avoiding that pothole.

    However if I see you on your bike and beat you off of it with an aluminum bat, and continue to beat you until most of your arm is pulverized, it might hold a little more meaning to you.
     
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    It seems clearly that we keep beating, and beating, and beating, and beating, and beating, and beating, and beating, and beating, and beating, and beating, and beating, and beating, and beating, and beating that arm in the middle east relentlessly.

    And our reasons for beating it off keep changing, and changing, and changing, and changing, and changing, and changing, and changing....

    They want to kill us. they hate our freedoms. we need to protect them from the brutal dictator we embraced before. we need to protect Israel. we must bring them democracy. operation Iraqi freedom. They want 72 virgins which are not even mentioned in their holy qoran... etc. etc. etc..

    OF COURSE I AM CONFUSED.
     
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    It happened in white New York, not black New Orleans.
     
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    Actually I think it is entirely appropriate to have a substantial memorial to nearly 3,000 innocent people who died horribly as the result of an evil act. If I were in New York, I would be happy to place some flowers in remembrance of my fellow human beings who died so unnecessarily.

    I think perhaps to what people are voicing reservation is the scale of the memorialisation. Maybe some people feel it should be a private matter for those who have lost loved ones, not a public display of 'look at how much we have suffered!' With Presidents, and ex-Presidents, and public figures, all competing to show how much they care.

    I had just turned 8 years of age when it happened, and TBH, it had little impact on me at that stage of my life - it was just another feck-up, amongst a long line of feck-ups, that the grown-ups had managed. As I grew older, I realised the enormity of what had been done, and perhaps the even greater enormity of the aftermath of vengeance. My sympathies are confined to those who lost loved one at the WTC, and to those whose loved ones were amongst the hundreds of thousands of innocents who lost their lives in the subsequent invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. The attack and its consequences were terrible events for humanity, all over the world.
     
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    There is no doubt it was a horrendous and vile act which engaged the American psyche in ways that the murder of Katrina victims by Katrina victims did not.

    But one cannot get past the fact that Katrina victims were irrelevant simply because they were largely black.

    That aside, 9/11 destabilised all Americans, everywhere. They were struck to their core. And now they need to believe that they are somehow protected by their expressions of grief.

    They are not.

    But I know they know that.
     
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    I agree.

    From day ONE, the attack and the deaths have been used to justify a number of already existing agendas, and to manipulate the American people into supporting both internal and external actions negative to their own well being, morals and decency.
     
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    Natural occurrences can cause people to be forced to make horrendous decisions.

    There were people on rooftops forced to let go and drown as water rosem and they tired and lacked water for day after day.

    There were bedridden people abandoned, who drowned inch by inch over four days, in one case one person's bedridden parent had a cel phone and described the water covering her chin and reaching her mouth on her last call to her child!

    There were doctors and nurses confronted with the decision of whether or not to euthanize the bedridden patients they had to abandon because there was STILL NO WAY provided to evacuate them after FOUR DAYS after the hurricane.

    If you hit a pothole and break your arm and lie in the street for a week with no food, water or shelter because no one is allowed to help, there are aspects to the incident which are not entirely a "natural act" .

    If I had money, I would be building a memorial to those doctors' and nurses' brave decisions and the patients who had to die because they had no help. That would be hell on earth.
     
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