Female professor says "damn the unvaccinated", Dies 12 days after Pfizer injection

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Donor

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    In the news they've been running stories of individuals who publicly denounced the vaccine but then ended up dying from Covid.
    Well, has there been any stories of the opposite? those who publicly denounced those who are against the vaccine but then ended up dying from the vaccine.
    It appears there has.

    https://thecovidblog.com/2021/09/22...ad-12-days-after-third-pfizer-mrna-injection/

    Karen Croake Heisler: 67-year-old former Notre Dame professor says "damn the unvaccinated", dead 12 days after third Pfizer mRNA injection

    Orlando, Florida - A 67-year-old former Notre Dame professor is dead, in what is fast-becoming a pattern of quick deaths after "booster" shots.

    Mrs. Karen Croake Heisler received her first dose of Pfizer mRNA vaccine on January 13, according to her Twitter account. Her age allowed her to be one of the first to receive the injections in December and January. It's unclear when she received the second injection. But Mrs. Heisler declared on April 9 that she and her husband suffered only sore arms after their second injections.

    She wrote in a post on March 13: "If you have no intentions of wearing a mask or getting the vaccine, please stay home until you come to your senses. You have no right or 'freedom' to endanger the lives of your family, friends, co-workers, health professionals, teachers and your community. You are selfish."

    On September 7, Mrs. Heisler made it known that she had just received her third Covid vaccine.

    Her health apparently deteriorated very quickly thereafter. Mrs. Heisler tweeted from Orlando Regional Medical Center on September 14. She was there to see a cardiologist. Mrs. Heisler tweeted three times that day, with all of her Twitter posts blaming the "unvaccinated" for her deteriorating health, in one of them she even wrote "damn the unvaccinated."​

    The point of this story is not to tell us anything about the risks of the vaccine compared to not getting the vaccine. Anecdotal stories do not tell us anything about the statistics. But what it does say is that there are substantial numbers of people who have died from the vaccine. Otherwise something like this would be a very rare coincidence. Which is exactly what the media has been trying to get people to think by covering those stories.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Donor

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    Mrs. Heisler died on September 19. An obituary claimed it was from "cancer-related complications". What that actually meant is that she died from heart problems, which people assumed must have resulted from cancer that she already had.
    What else could have brought on her sudden mysterious fatal heart condition?
     
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    Your "logic" here makes no sense.

    Sometimes I really miss the forum "dislike" function.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Donor

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    What part doesn't make sense to you?
     
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    My god .. how desperate are you, Love?

    The woman was a CANCER patient. They have the highest risk of adverse reactions to ... well, just about everything! And they also sometimes experience cardiac issues precipitated by their very poor general health, and also sometimes by their cancer treatment.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Donor

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    Cancer patients usually don't just suddenly die of heart conditions out of nowhere.

    She wrote about her CARDIOLOGIST trying to admit her to the hospital.
    cardiologist = doctor who specializes dealing with the heart

    I wonder if the cancer medications she was on might have resulted in a fatal combination with the third dose of the vaccine. Cancer medications make it more difficult for the body to heal or regrow new cells. There could have been an interplay between the cancer medications and myocarditis from the vaccine. Together combined, both might have been too much for her heart to handle.
     
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    It's idiotic to give this shot to people with heart conditions. It boggles my mind how religious people are in these things, against and for.
     
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    Yes, they actually can and do. Cancer - and fighting cancer - puts an enormous strain on the heart. If there are other strains on the organ co-existing (obesity, drinking, smoking, lack of exercise, stress, other health issues, etc) at the same time, you can be a ticking time bomb.
     
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    The peridarditis/myocarditis vaccine reactions are almost exclusively found in young and healthy males. An elderly female is very unlikely to experience that particular side effect. OTOH, COVID itself can be very hard on the cardiac muscle.

    Under normal circumstances, this woman would not have died. The fact she had 'cancer complications' is almost certainly WHY she died .. whether the vaccine tipped her over the edge or not is somewhat beside the point. If it wasn't that, it would have been the next cold she caught, or stomach virus, or pretty much anything really. Even a stressful week could have done it.

    The thing to remember is that people with serious co-morbidities are a seperate and distinct category, where the usual 'rules' of this COVID game don't apply.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Donor

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    So add one more thing like heart-inflaming spike protein from the vaccine.
     
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    The story is incorrect where it says that her tweets blame the unvaccinated for her deteriorating health. The tweets blame the unvaccinated for the hospital being overcrowded. None of them say anything about "declining health".

    You're correct. Anecdotal stories don't tell us anything about the statistics. You are incorrect in stating that it does say that there are substantial numbers of people who have died from vaccine. It says that there is one person who died for some reason at some point after receiving the vaccine. There are no references in the story to "substantial numbers of people" and there is no proof of causation.

    As noted in a further post, an obituary says that she died from cancer-related complications. What that means is cancer-related complications.
     
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    That's what she thought.


    We actually have data from the hospital from the week preceding September 17, which is when she arrived at the hospital. 1,462 out of the 5,653 patients at the hospital (25.8%) tested positive for Covid. However, only 134 of them were actually admitted to the hospital for Covid, while a total of 242 were hospitalized for Covid during that time. (The hospital has over 1,800 beds available)

    Orlando Health Regional Medical Center data
     
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    ... which means that almost a quarter of the beds were occupied by Covid patients. Since statistics show that the overwhelming majority of hospitalized Covid patients are unvaccinated it follows that the unvaccinated were potentially keeping over 1,000 sick people from getting treated at that hospital. That's all beside the point though. The article said that her tweets blame the unvaccinated for her deteriorating health. The tweets say no such thing.
     
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    No, you need to re-read.

    Only 13.4% of them were.
     
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    I didn't click the link. I assumed that you were quoting the relevant numbers in your post. Even so, the numbers aren't the point, nor is whether or not the professor was correct in her assumption. The point is that the article is incorrect in stating that her tweets blame the unvaccinated for her "deteriorating health". The tweets don't blame the unvaccinated for that. They don't mention her deteriorating health at all.
     
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    Shall we go through all those deaths within days of attending a church service again, kazanatzu? I will have a lot more anecdotes than you do that I can call a disturbing pattern. We just have to replace the words 'heart attack' with 'cancer' and blame this unnatural habit many people have of collecting together to 'commune' pray, or learn about God.

    There isn't anything more than a tangential and circumstantial connection on which to tie ludicrous innuendo and rumor, but if it doesn't stop you, it should not stop me.
     
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    Sure but since she already had two shots, the booster was likely more risk for her than getting and dying from covid.

    There could be a lot of heart inflammation that isn't reported. Young males are more active. An inflamed heart is problematic for an active person putting a lot of stress on their heart.
     
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    On Sept 19th, the Pfizer booster shot wasn't even FDA approved yet. How did she get the shot weeks before FDA approval?
     
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    If she had cancer she was already walking dead.... personally never known anyone who had anything other than the two "simple" skin cancers, IN SITU, that survived it, didn't even make it to the magical "5 years" touted by the cancer industry as "survival". For the record I define "survival" as going on to die of old age or misadventure, NOT going on to die of the same disease you supposedly "survived". :rolleyes:
     
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    I don’t know but a lot of people did. My wife’s cousin is a retired physician with a long history of cancer and cancer treatment. She received a third shot the first part of August.
     
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    so she had cancer and died, yes, she was at greater risk of covid, especially if on chemotherapy

    not the case one would want to use to prove all vaccines evil
     
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    when I was on chemotherapy and for a while after, just mowing the lawn pushed me closed to having a heart attack

    so glad that was not during covid, i feared the common flu bad enough during that period, even though got flu shot
     
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    How was it mysterious? She had cancer and a known complication of the type she had is heart problems.

    This is irresponsible and misinforming nonsense
     
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    I have noticed 2 cases with friends of mine showing similar behavior by the family survivors.

    They have attempted to minimize the fatal effects of the clot shots, and blame the death on some other reason. Two perfectly healthy and active adults die suddenly months after taking the shots, and the surviving family members delude themselves about cause of death.

    Cognitive dissonance in motion.
     
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    I have known several people who survived cancer more than 5 years.
     
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