For the vaccinated, Covid is like.... guess what... like the Flu!

You do all the time. You make anti-Trump post after anti-Trump post after anti-Trump post and then claim you are not a lefty or not partisan.

 

There are zillions of breakthrough infections. We have countries in the world with the highest vaccination rates in the world and are currently surging with Delta. The left would have you believe that breakthrough cases are rare but they are NOT rare at all. That is why the most highly vaccinated places in the world are seeing surges with delta. Breakthrough cases are everywhere and these people are getting sick. They have greatly reduced chances of being hospitalized or dying but they are getting sick.

 

You don't think very highly of people. It's common knowledge that masks aren't 100% effective. Anybody that understands statistics can see that for themselves.

On the other hand, many Republicans outright refuse to wear masks (even offering that 10% reduction). Do you have any condemnation for them?

Back in early 2020, President Trump told us the virus would disappear with warm weather (it didn't make sense at the time because the weather was already pretty sweet in some of the southern states but COVID cases continued to climb).

Then, he told us that his goal was for everybody to be able to attend church on Easter Sunday. He's not a doctor. He was trying to be hopeful.

Then, he told George S(can't spell his last name to save my life) it "will go away without the vaccine." Again, he's not a doctor (and people shouldn't be making medical decisions based on what a politician says anyway).

The REALITY is there are anti-maskers in all sub-groups of political parties, races, religions, sexuality and everything else.

The REALITY is there are anti-vaxxers in all sub-groups of political parties, races, religions, sexuality and everything else.

Pinning your hopes on the FALSEHOOD that either party is SOLELY responsible for the rapid transmission of the virus and its variants is nothing more than you lying to yourself because of your deep hatred for "the left".

You are part of the reason that this hasn't already been removed from the hands of politicians and into the hands of our professional medical care providers. You're part of the problem.

 

LOL. Seriously? Why did the left go all partisan with the pandemic? They were fine with going all partisan with the pandemic against Trump but now that Biden can't get Covid under control now you guys are asking why it has to be partisan.

 

The left were perfectly fine with making it political but now that Biden is president and unable to control the pandemic, all of a sudden you ask why it should be political.

 

I'm not a leftie or partisan.

I would strongly dislike Trump regardless of his political party, race, gender, sexuality, favorite cereal or hair color. He's an awful, disgusting, petulant anti-American POS and a traitor to our Constitution, people, military and allies.

 

He is an extremely hateful person and NOT an independent thinker. He needs to have a boogeyman to blame for all his problems. That comes from the inability to self-actualize and take responsibility for one's own actions and choices.

It doesn't help anything except to make him feel self important that he can look down on others.

He doesn't sound like a racist but the mentality is the same:

 

Has it been common knowledge that masks only work about 10%? The left lied to us. While millions were about about in their masks which were only 10% effective, spreading the virus, the left blamed the unmasked for increased cases. The virus is what it is. It was what it was under Trump and it is what it is under Biden. The whole world has been hurt due to the pandemic, under both Trump and Biden. But, one could argue that under Trump the experts didn't know what they know now and yet the virus is surging under Biden, at a time when we have the most knowledge of the virus.

 

Long day dude. I can't read another one your hate-filled post about the boogeyman lefties. I just can't. I'm tapped out on your for today.

 

I don't like Trump either. Didn't vote for him in 2016, didn't want to vote for him in 2020, and don't want to vote for him in 2024. But, the left's TDS has been off the charts. I get that people don't like Trump. I don't like Trump. But TDS is TDS, the overpowering disease that makes one obsess about Trump 24/7, even after he was voted out and not been president for 7 months now. It is the overwhelming desire to get him no matter what. Revenge outweighs all else.

And now I have recently noticed a new virus making the rounds, BDS. The right are just beginning to show signs of the BDS strain which has made some of them go bonkers in their quest to get Biden. Between Covid, TDS, and BDS, just about everyone in the US is infected with one of the three.

 

You say first that vaccines don't do crap, and then you claim that they do. I mean, unless you think that "not dying" is "nothing"

 

An average of 300 deaths per day among the unvaccinated. 229 per MONTH for the vaccinated. How is that "like that" in any way shape or form?

 

You don't need to keep repeating yourself. I don't have short term memory issues.

You are part of the problem. You want to be a vigilante for a worthless POS and try to wrap it in a pretty bow about your not liking him. Save it. You and your ilk are exactly why this country is messed up. You think you're better than everybody else and try to drill your OPINIONS into other people's heads because you listen to skewed/slanted/outright ridiculous lies from the media and can't stand those of us that don't need tv or Yahoo to tell us what to think.

You don't have an ounce of understanding, compassion, empathy or even a desire to LEARN anything outside the ridiculous thought (1 thought you keep copying and pasting into every response) you spew constantly.

People would LOVE to stop thinking about stupid @ss Trump. He just won't go to Hell and keep his brain diarrhea to himself. No wonder you struggle with the same affliction.

The best part of the deal is Trump hates all of you and your self-esteem is so low or non-existent that you wait at the master's feet for him to pat you on the head. Not happening. All you people are are his pawns and his financers. How stupid does one have to be to send money to a BILLIONAIRE? Jesus <F> Christ.

Here's your hero! https://americasvoice.org/trumphatemap/

 

For me, the Delta variant was like a head cold with a headache. Lasted a few days and it was over. Oh and I'm unvaccinated. The antibodies I have for the delta variant are even better than what the vaccine would do for me.

And no, I didn't even know I had it at the time. It was the antibody test afterwards when I learned that my symptoms matched what the common delta symptoms were.

 

Because the same “experts” are deciding what information is disseminated. Why would replacing one President who knows nothing of virology or epidemiology with another who knows nothing of virology or epidemiology have any positive effect on ending a pandemic? The path to different public health outcomes would be to change those making public health recommendations—not the President.

 

I specifically said they don't do crap at preventing the spread of Delta. You continue agreeing with me, that the vaccines don't do crap for the spread of Delta while also providing good protection against hospitalizations and deaths. All i want is for the left to be honest about the facts, including vaccinated people are spreading Delta.

 

The problem is the left spreading misinformation and deliberately lying in order to achieve their agenda of vaccinating everyone. Why is it you say you are not partisan and then blast Trump about everything but when someone blasts Biden you call them partisan? I mean, Trump lost the election almost a year ago and hasn't been president for 7 months now. There is no need to go out of your way to attack someone who is not relevant anymore. When the virus is out of control under Trump you blame Trump but when the virus is out of control under Biden you don't blame Biden. The virus is out of control under Biden and he ain't got nuttin.

 

To be honest, that information has not been posted. What has been posted are studies that projected efficacy rates. Turns out, the definition success criteria was simply to keep folks infected from being a burden to hospitals. Certainly, given the total number of breakthrough cases, though, that definition seems pretty unobtainable. The unfortunate truth is that your chances of getting covid post vaccination are more than slim, and it appears from the literature that it isn't much better than non vaccinated folks. As you point out, the mutation is far more likely to infect folks than the initially released version from the lab. This is, in fact, what viruses do. They become more infectious. But, what is also in the cards is they also become less deadly.

You are correct. Not every vaccine is 100% effective. But most vaccines do actually preclude the vast majority of folks from becoming symptomatic, or suffer partially from the disease. Take polio. If you have been vaccinated, you don't run the risk of getting a slight case or a moderate case of polio do you? MMRB same thing. These vaccinations actually do create an assurity that their prophylactic effectiveness does actually prevent one from "getting" those diseases.

Flu vaccinations don't. And so far, the Pfizer Moderna et al are not remotely as effective as they were marketed to be.

I will tell you, I did the shots. plural. And most of my sphere have as well. And folks in that sphere are still becoming infected. And while none of those folks have been as severely effected to require hospitalization, the vaccine didn't stop them from getting sick. Nor, it seems, did it stop them from being carriers, nor did it relieve them from becoming guilt ridden from having assumed that the marketing was correct, and went about their lives, thinking they were both safe, and not a threat to others.

One has to ask the hard questions then. If, by your standard of "just enough so they don't die" is all that satisfies you, the level of suffering you'd allow begs a lot of questions.

 

Please provide the data sources that support this assertion.

Allow me to save you (and me) some time: there aren't any!!!!

If that's the case then you should have no problem either supporting the statement you made above with facts, or correcting it.

 

In the most highly vaccinated countries on the planet, Delta is surging. Therefore, the vaccines don't do crap at stopping the surge. In fact, vaccinated people are spreading Delta.

 

Okay now, you are straining your credibility. It is true but completely dishonest to say that masks aren't 100% effective when their efficacy is MUCH closer to 0%.

 

Still waiting for the data in which you base the assumption that the surge would be the same with and without vaccines (which is the technical definition of "don't do crap"). Or for you to correct your statement. Your choice....

I already know the answer... but if you keep doubling down on an unsubstantiated statement. If you are demanding anybody to be "honest about the facts" first step is to prove that you yourself are. The next step would be to prove that whoever you are demanding honesty from is less honest than you are. But that would be something down the line. By doubling down you're only making it more difficult for yourself to get there.

 

There was an article out just today which showed that breakthrough infections were at 25%. That 25% is more than enough to contribute to surges. The fact is, Delta is surging even in the most highly vaccinated areas of the world. You would argue that vaccines are 75% effective at stopping the virus, as cases literally surge. The facts are the facts. Even if the breakthrough rate is only 25% it doesn't change the fact that the virus is surging. Think about it. Some sports stadiums with capacities of 50,000 are considering letting in only the vaccinated. So, that means that 12,500 people will be in the stadium spreading the virus and taking it home and to work with them. Wouldn't that be a superspreader event? And yet you would sit there and argue with me until the cows go home that the vaccines were 75% effective at stopping the spread of Delta. Meanwhile cases surge.

 

WTF? I would claim nothing of the sort. My claims are always based on facts. If I don't have facts, I don't make ANY claims.

You did make a claim. You said vaccines "don't do crap at preventing the spread of Delta." So you are claiming that they're 0% effective at stopping the spread of Delta.

Yes! Delta is surging. That doesn't mean vaccines are not doing "crap". Not doing "crap" means that the Delta surge would be the same with or without the vaccine. If you have no facts to support that then you are not being "honest about the facts"

At this point all you can do is retract your statement. Because it's obvious that you have no evidence to support your claim. Otherwise we will all know that your other statement about being "honest about the facts" is also bogus.