Global wind capacity additions surged to a record high of 118GW in 2023

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    Interesting - this Nebraska farmer said the same thing I did verbatim - it's a WIN-WIN!

    https://www.wri.org/insights/how-wind-turbines-are-providing-safety-net-rural-farmers

    The Grande Prairie Wind Farm
    Representatives from a company called Midwest Wind Energy showed up in O’Neill in 2008, intrigued by wind maps showing that the area northeast of town has unusually high, consistent winds 100 meters up. This project eventually became the Grande Prairie Wind Farm, which has a capacity of 400 megawatts and now provides electricity to Omaha, Nebraska’s largest city. Producing enough wind energy to power 120,000 homes, this wind farm can help Omaha’s public electricity utility reach its goal of achieving net-zero carbon emissions by 2050.
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    “As ag producers, we absolutely burn our share of fossil fuels, and we see firsthand what it’s doing,” Zakrzewski said. “And to have a supplemental income was a great appeal as well. It was win-win as far as I was concerned.”
     
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    Of course. He's benefiting from the subsidy.
     
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    Nebraska has a subsidy?
     
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    The MISI report found that non-hydro renewable energy (primarily wind and solar) benefited from $158 billion in federal subsidies, or 16% of the total, largely in the form of tax policy and direct federal expenditures on research and development (R&D).

    Energy subsidies in the United States - Wikipedia


    State Production Incentive for Wind Power

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    But Nebraska could offer its own production incentive for wind generation installed in the state. This would require revenue from the state. Suppose the ...

    Nebraska home and commercial wind power installation

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    Commercial and Residential Wind Power - Nebraska wind installers. Current Nebraska wind energy incentives include generous rebates for wind turbine and wind ...
     
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    From your source:

    In the United States, the federal government has paid US$145 billion for energy subsidies to support R&D for nuclear power ($85 billion) and fossil fuels ($60 billion) from 1950 to 2016.
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    Many of the "subsidies" available to the oil and gas industries are general business opportunity credits, available to all US businesses (particularly, the foreign tax credit mentioned above)
     
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    Yes, and . . . ?
     
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    Nuclear and Fossil Fuel Federal subsidies. This was a Nebraska farm. Focus!
     
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    You cannot deny one subsidy by citing another.
    ". . . non-hydro renewable energy (primarily wind and solar) benefited from $158 billion in federal subsidies . . . "
     
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    And you should not call out a Federal subsidy, when it is established that these subsidies are commonplace for all energy. Hell, Nuclear Energy has an entire Federal department (NRC) dedicated to them. Talk about a subsidy. Oil companies get military escort ships for their petroleum shipments from foreign countries. Talk about a subsidy. These are all Federal. FOCUS on Nebraska.
     
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    Already did. Repeated here as a courtesy.
    Nebraska home and commercial wind power installation

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    Commercial and Residential Wind Power - Nebraska wind installers. Current Nebraska wind energy incentives include generous rebates for wind turbine and wind ...

    Nebraska wind power incentives - wind energy rebates and tax credits
    Nebraska is one of the best states for wind power for two reasons: its abundant wind energy and its fantastic wind incentives and rebates. Look here for details on the Nebraska energy tax credit, rebates, grants and solar, wind incentives like the Nebraska Energy Incentive.
     
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    Admittedly I missed that above, because a Federal program was also cited.

    This is great! I'm all for it. Farmers deserve a little incentive, and can now make a little extra money off their land. Just like Iowa, good for Nebraska! A Red State no less....

    And their electricity costs.

    11.38 cents per kilowatt hour
    • The average residential electricity rate in Nebraska in 2024 is 11.38 cents per kilowatt hour, which is 28.94% lower than the national average rate of 16.02 cents.
    This is why these Red States (include TX) are so willing to put out a few incentives - Because it helps everybody with cheaper energy bills. With no everyday fuel costs, wind is "the gift that just keeps on giving"!
     
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    Subsidies tax all to provide lower prices for some.
     
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    State residents pay the subsidies. State residents reap the savings.
     
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    All pay. Not all reap.
     
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    Who doesn't have an electric bill?

    There are many cases of this situation. The one I often cite is the subway rider. Every time they use his tax dollars to pay for roads that he doesn't use, he gets screwed.
     
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    "Wind incentives and rebates" go to the farmer, paid by fellow Iowans.
     
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    I believe we had shifted to the Red state of Nebraska. And then they get it back, with bonuses, with their cheaper electric bills.
     
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    "Wind incentives and rebates" go to the farmer, paid by fellow Nebraskans.
     
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    Sounds like a good plan. Struggling farmers make a little extra dinero, and the fellow Nebraskans reap the reward with lower electricity costs for years to come.
     
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    Again, a subsidy is a tax on all to benefit a few.
     
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    I just explained how everybody benefits.
     
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    No. You explained your claim. An incentive for the farmer is paid for by others.
     
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    Win-win. You should learn about these things.
     
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    Nebraskans don't see it that way.
    Renewable energy debate runs hot in Nebraska
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    Feb 16, 2024 — Stanton County has effectively banned wind turbines in its regulations, according to the Sabin Center. Wheeler and Buffalo counties have a 5- ...

    GREELEY, Neb. – Better to walk out than get thrown out.

    And with that, Robert Bernt, an organic farmer in central Nebraska, turned and left the old school gymnasium where the county zoning board was evaluating a proposed wind farm.

    “Silver-tongued” and “corrupt” were some of the allegations he’d leveled at the Greeley County officials in that tense June meeting. The project was being sought by area farmers who viewed it as a way to shore up their family incomes and feed tax revenue into local schools and government.

    Most of the several dozen people in attendance shared Bernt’s anger. They accused local officials of aiding China, a major player in renewables, and jeopardizing neighbors’ health and property values. And they disputed the project’s promised economic benefits. One opponent called on the group to join him in prayer as he beseeched God to steer officials away from the plan. Most stood with him.

    An epic and consequential battle is unfolding in Nebraska over renewable energy. From the Panhandle to the state’s eastern edge, people have packed local meetings, filed lawsuits and flexed political power.

    It’s a high-stakes fight, with property rights, the character and economic well-being of rural Nebraska and health of the planet all at play.

    Beyond those other concerns, opponents have long worried about the changes turbines bring to the state’s scenic skies and the intermittent nature of renewable energy. . . .

    Wind Projects Rejected In Nebraska And Ohio ...

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    Apr 29, 2022 — Wind energy's fundamental problem is due to basic physics: it has low power density. That means it needs vast amounts of land to produce ..
     
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    Nebraska power is cheap because we have 100% public power with no profit motive. Wind power was slow to be adopted in Nebraska because our power was historically so cheap wind power couldn’t compete.

    That has changed somewhat over the years. But Nebraska power districts operate under mandate to deliver electricity as economically as possible to their owner/consumers. That has slowed wind adoption because it’s been more expensive than other options.
     

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