God OR Science

What came first ... God OR Science.
The Chicken OR the Egg.
If Man has evolved from Apes then why are there still Apes.
Why have Apes as a species not progressed into Humans
if Man did evolve from them.
It's fairly obvious that Fire came before matches.
That Yogi bear was in the National Park before the Ranger and his
Office.
Without getting into heady debate as to the relevance of Science
OVER and above Divinity or Providence dependent upon an Intelligent
Design Creator,both should play a part in the study of Life or Philosophy.
All least in respect to the many hundreds if not billions of hours mankind
has spent over the last 2 Millennia alone,discussing such things.
To toss aside Religion or Theology as if a piece of stale bread isn't prudent.
Since many a Great Thinker exhausted many hours of their lives in the pursuit
of Wisdom regarding this topic.

 

There is zero, absolutely zero evidence there ever was a god of any form. None. Nothing.

By default, science came before gods.

 

Then why did Man,a Rational Animal spent such time in the pursuit
of Theology.Why was there ever need for the word Theology if Men
were merely hoodwinked by the nature of Divinity.
Were Great Thinkers like Saint Thomas Acquinas who was motivated
by Aristotle and things like supremacy of Reason { Rationalism }
any more intellectual than say Augustine.

De Trinitate {400-416}

" God always is,nor has He been and is not,nor is but has not been,but as He never will not be; so He never was not. "

 

I am sorry, but because people were once confused really does not mean that they are still confused.

 

I guess that it kind of boils down to one thing. And that is what you want to believe. Some do and some don't. And that kiddies is what makes the world go round.

 

Because, obviously, lacking scientific understanding, early humans postulated 'forces' or 'gods' to explain happenings, gradually refining these down to one dominating 'force'. As science develops we have less need of this concept, though it carries with it all sorts of noble aspirations and insights for which sensitive people are nostalgic. Our current job is to restate these usefully.

 

So Unconfuse us all and explain how Life began.
Or how the Earth came to be.If the Primate { Ape } came before
Man,where and how did the Ape come into being.Evolving from
a single protozoa ? Where and how did the protozoa come into
being.

 

WOW....I would bet, that Satans Hell must be over-flowing with occupants.

 

Run electricity through water and throw in some proteins. Let me know what comes out of it in several billion generations.

 

So Science Trumps the Humanities.
Therefore mankind is foolish to read novels,I gather.Or study
things like playing the Piano or an instrument.The age of the
Renaissance was quite literally a waste of man's energy for it
did little to explain or promote Science.
Mankind should do away with all things that don't propagate the
interest of Science.How is a Society better served under this Scientific
Doctrine.Is not Mankinds brain to be used for the betterment of
civility and culture,also.
Or is the Microscope much more valuable in the scope of mankind than
say the Piano.

 

The problem is that we are talking about two wholly different things.

Your statement above is just as foolish as the opening statement. Neither of them reflect any sort of coherent thought.

 

Speaking of water,than lets start there.Seems simple enough for those
unconcerned with the juvenile tendency of some to preoccupy one's
time over a Creator { God }.
Where and how did water come about.

 

Two hydrogen atoms got together with an atom of oxygen. Pretty basic stuff.

 

Science is an endeavor not a quantifiable,living,breathing entity.
it's a form of study.An activity to explain and learn.
Science exists and explains things that come and come before.
Science is not a First Principle,per say but rather it's axiom.
God is both a First and Last Principle.He came from and before.
God is ALL.
To comprehend God and explain,is like explaining :

Infinity

 

In an overall sense,yes.But there are Men,Great men not satisfied with
the Mysteries of Life and want to understand how Life began and
who if anyone is responsible { a Creator }.
Sometimes what one " wants to believe " is often culturally inspired
or driven by peer pressure.But when Man has the opportunity to
freely seek out answers and dilligently strive for reason in this
Life on Earth,then it becomes far more than just " wants to believe ".
Some men are compelled to Demand of themself nothing short
of the definitiveness of Mankind on Earth.Is all.

 

Replace 'God' in all that with 'Gloop' and you will understand how your approach affects many others. You simply assume that one of your prejudices/fantasies is real and work from that. How are you different from someone who takes it for absolute truth that he is Napoleon (except, of course, that he is right, you wrong? )

 

Where did those hydrogen atoms come from.?
Who decided to name them atoms.?
Not that it matters.Or does it.
Does matter ... matter.
Matter had to start somewhere didn't it.
Can something come into existence w/o any help.
Can something exist from sheer nothingness.
If you rely on a Big Bang Theory.Than what existed a nanosecond
BEFORE the Big Bang.

 

There was only One Napoleon Bonaparte.There is only one God or name
for Creator.Someone,no matter how they have convinced themself
CANNOT Be Napoloeon { Form of Identity disorder }.
It is easily established and proveable whether one is Napoleon
or not.Not so with God,who is universally recognized as The
Supreme Being or Creator,as established over the last few Millennia.
God may well be a force that is unexplained like Electricity was until it
was discovered.But God has been ascribed as The Spiritual Force
inherent in Mankind.

 

But if you take it into a court of law where only the facts are allowed, there is no proof of any kind other than one's personal belief that "God " does exist. That is what this thread is about isn't it? Whether or not there is any actual proof that god does or does not actually exist. Not some long winded explanation of things or questions about science. But actual proof as to whether or not God does or does not exist.

 

'God' is NOT 'universally recognized as The Supreme Being or Creator'. That is, in essence, what we are discussing: a great many people 'see no need for this hypothesis' at all.

 

Actually the Thread is about which is more important and binding.
God OR Science.Which one suprecede the other.
I say ... God.And I would be correct.In the grand scheme of Life,
God has had a far more important and meaningful significance in
life than mere science.
Science is what it is.God will and should always be the basis for man's
existence.In fact that is partly what God is.God is the reason we exist.
Science is just a way for man to amuse himself over what God doesn't
merely Know and HAS Known since time immemorial but Made.
God Created Science.Therefore God supercedes it.

" God does not play dice "
--Einstein

 

Its a dumb thread to set it up as "either/or"... one is spiritual and the other is science.

 

So then the word God on every piece of U.S. Paper currency is some
kind of hypothesis.

In place of ... :

In God We Trust

It should read ... :

In SCIENCE We Trust

 

I know nothing about the US except that the people there worship only money and do not read the Sermon on the Mount.

 

Some of us consult the Bible in matters of ethics and morality and science when we need a vaccine for polio.

God did give us a brain after all.