GOP lawmakers, NRA slam ATF rule to regulate pistol braces: 'Unconstitutional overreach'

Absolutely. Propaganda with no relationship to reality at all. Its ridiculous.

 

That show isn't billed as science fiction? It should be.

 

many do not realize how pervasive anti gun propaganda is on main stream entertainment platforms.

 

Yup. Just make sure you have a pistol buffer. $30.

 

Combine this propaganda effort with Biden's statement yesterday that we may have AR-15's but he has F-15's and what do you get? Dictatorship? Civil War?

 

He’s more responsible than these groups for making people feel safer disarmed like sheep rather than promoting self defense.

 

There should be a legal punishment for violating the constitution like this. Trump and Biden both are trash for violating my rights!

 

I suppose the verdict is in. Being there is no argument to the contrary Biden must be guilty of violating the constitution along with the ATF so they both must go.

 

Impeachment seems in order.

 

The first of many predicted lawsuits have been filed. I believe that the NFA is unconstitutional and the pistol brace rule especially so

 

My issue with it is what's the point.

You can't put a stock on a pistol because it would be more concealable than a shotgun or a rifle but you can have a pistol that you could have the part of your head that don't really could see it.

It's bizarre it sounds like an overreach and I have the ATF gets overruled
It should be a law making organization in the first place all the ones that they put forth should be repealed immediately because they don't have that authority

 

In short:
Our federal gun laws don't make any sense - and as time, and firearms, progress, they make less sense.
There's no rational basis for the current federal regulation of SBRs SBSs and suppressors; these laws should be repealed.
Oh - add machineguns to this as well.

 

And the ones that write the laws seem totally incompetent at times. Do you know that if you install a forward handgrip on a pistol, it must be at a 45 degree angle to the barrel? 90 degrees isn't legal. Why? Who the heck knows? It defies logic.

 

His point is, do individuals or even ad-hoc militias really want to go up against the United States Military? The answer is, of course not. On the other hand, we only have to look to Afghanistan to see the wisdom and foresight of our Founders including the right of gun ownership to citizens.

They are actually following/using provisions in the Federal Firearms Act of 1938. I don't think enforcing the law is impeachable. Machine guns have, since FFA 38, been regulated as well as suppressors.

Yes, there is a pleathora of stupid gun law on the books. Which, IMHO, is why gun rights advocates need to lobby for research into the cause of violence in America and what solutions WILL actually work.

IMHO, the ATF really screwed up by allowing the concept of pistols with "braces" based on the AR receiver in the first place. Now, there are millions of firearms with barrels shorter than 16" IN COMMON USE. The Federal Firearms act of 1938 granted the Federal Government to tax and require a license for "rifles" with barrel's shorter than 16". Because recent veterens were comming home maimed and unable to fire a rifle, even for sport, the ATF came up with the "pistol brace" rule that allowed rifles with barrels shorter than 16" to go un-taxed and un-registered. so that handicapped people could fire them. It didn't take long for gun owners with two brain cells to realize that a "pistol brace" wasn't all that different from a rifle stock and millions of them created a "pistol", completely legal, without being taxed or licensed. Many ATF personnel and "anti-gunners" saw what was going on and demanded a stop to AR based "pistols".

The problem for the ATF and "anti-gunners" is that there are millions of these "braced" pistols IN COMMON USE in These United States. And we all know that in "Heller v. DC" the Supreme Court found that INDIVIDUAL AmeriCANs can/may own firearms that are IN COMMON USE. So, IF, I had ever owned a "braced" short barreled rifle with a "brace" I would hire a lawyer to sue the ATF and U.S. on the ground that "braced" SBR-AR's ARE IN COMMON USE and therefore allowed by "Heller". I've never owned a "braced" sbr-AR, so I would lack standing; but if i had ... there just might be a new Supreme Court ruling, "noone v. ATF.

 

Consider this:

Neither the lower receiver nor the upper receiver of an AR fit the federal definition of "receiver".
As such, neither are considered a "firearm"; only when they are joined - actually pinned - together do they create a "firearm".
As they are not firearms, they are not regulated by federal law - including the federal requirements for background checks, FFL handling, etc.
As they are not firearms, it is legal for "prohibited persons" to buy and own as many as they want.

The Obama's DOJ dropped federal firearms charges on a felon rather than let this above see the inside of a courtroom.

Want a legal challenge named after you? That's the one.

 

Interesting. But, there is precedence for what is now the serialized part of an AR being the "receiver". But your explanation certainly makes it sound like a worthy battle; you should do it.

 

That this has been the case does not mean it corresponds to what the law says.
And, its already being challenged.

 

This is news to me, I'll have to read up on it. If you have links I would appreciate them.

 

I believe this is the case
https://www.firearmspolicy.org/vanderstok

 

Wow! That’s a lot, ill have to get to my pc, my old eyes can’t wade through that on my phone.

 

plenty in congress are calling bullshit on the ATF's dishonesty

 

This NOT the sort of congressional oversight approved of by the left.

 

The ATF is pretty well screwed and should be destroyed over this. They claim they are merely enforcing a law that was dishonestly and unconstitutionally implemented 90 years ago-a law that no longer can meet controlling case law standards. Based on that, it means they were IGNORING or VIOLATING that law for about 9 years

 

Democrats lie - what do you expect?

 

the entire gun control movement is based on a massive lie. every attempts to defend that movement requires lying