Harris v. Trump polling

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  1. Durandal

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    Maybe this thread could be used to track the polling for the rest of the campaign. Starting off with:

    New Yahoo News/YouGov poll: Kamala Harris has a huge head start for the Democratic nomination — and the strongest numbers against Trump
    Harris ties Trump in a hypothetical matchup, 46% to 46%. Other Democrats trail by several points.

    Andrew Romano
    ·National Correspondent
    Updated Tue, July 23, 2024 at 9:34 AM CDT

    Vice President Kamala Harris is launching her last-minute campaign for the 2024 Democratic nomination with a huge head start over other would-be candidates, according to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll — and the strongest head-to-head numbers against former President Trump.

    The survey of 1,743 U.S. adults — which was conducted from July 19 to July 22, mostly before President Biden ended his reelection bid on Sunday — shows that Harris’s support among Democratic voters as a potential Biden replacement had surged from 38% to 59% in the three weeks leading up to the president’s big announcement, while support for "someone else" had plummeted from 42% to 24%.

    ... https://news.yahoo.com/new-yahoo-ne...trongest-numbers-against-trump-143447808.html


    It's kind of interesting to have them starting off so evenly. It's like a fresh start to a game of political monopoly. Each team has its starting funds and an even start.
     
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    She's already surprised me with how well she's handling it. Maybe some of it is the experiences she's accumulated in the past few years. Maybe some of it is she does a better job promoting herself than being a surrogate.
     
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    She has certainly hit the ground running.
     
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    To say the least, given her record-breaking fundraising, in less of a week of candidacy, and how quickly she secured the delegates. Again, I was one of the people most skeptical of her chances. I've completely changed my mind. As far as the earlier "hypothetical matchup" polls go, I would treat it with a grain of salt . . . but that might be a good thing. Seems more likely to go up than down now that the matchup isn't really hypothetical anymore.
     
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    Yeah, I think if she doesn't flub anything up too badly, she can bring the polls up pretty easily. She doesn't have to do a whole lot to achieve that.

    I hope she comes out pro crypto. It would help her with the youth vote in particular.
     
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    The bar will be pretty low. Though Trump's own bar is really low as well. But if Trump actually mans up and agrees to a debate, which I don't predict he will, she's a lock. She'll destroy him. Especially when the topic of reproductive rights comes up. He'll wet his pants.
     
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    I saw some newsflash that he said he will debate her multiple times. Should be interesting!
     
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    Hm. We'll see. I saw several posts from him whining about the debates and demanding about a change of venue. I seriously doubt he has the balls, but he may surprise me.
     
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    Yeah, maybe he'll try to back out if he can't have his debate on Faux? Maybe that's why he even made that demand, to give himself an excuse to chicken out.
     
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    He's always looking for an escape hatch. But she'd crush him even on Fox. And then Trump would throw a crybaby fit about how unfair Fox is . . . not that it would be the first time. It's just a ploy. He's scared and he's looking for his excuse narratives. That's been his MO. He's been a professional victim for years.
     
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    Kamala Harris is gaining, while Donald Trump is losing, according to a poll conducted by Reuters and the Ipsos center. The U.S. vice president's advantage over the Republican candidate is minimal, however, at just 2 percentage points.
     
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    I have no doubt that Harris will win. The American people have become lazy and dependent on government. The Harris speeches are nothing but promises about how she is going to give everyone a free life, courtesy of the Federal Government. The Government will pay for everything. The question is, who will work to provide the goods and services the government will provide? The left doesn't have an answer for that question.
     
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    No, the question is already very much answered. Especially by Pres. Obama. It will be the middle class - the happiest class of them all. The problem is different. Why does Trump want to make the working class to work the butts off for the rich and have nothing from it. Don't have the illusion, that while Trump's new vision of trickle down economics the rich will go richer in an ennormous rate, anyone will benefit from it. The rich wouldn't pay a penny for hopes and words, and they paid a load of cash to Trump for their future phonism.

    Today's Madame Kamala Harris speach was definitely very much addressed to women. The skin tone, the dress and the bit calmer temperament in my opinion was about to communicate a bond and an identification of women who aspire to the higher middle class.
    Everyone wants to have financial freedom and have enough to make longterm plans. This class is not the happiest one, yet every other class wants to be equal to it (there's scientiffical evidence for that made on 2 million people worldwide - which class is the happiest, and why middle middle class - being able to put some money in the bank, pay the bills, have some nice car and a nice flat, have vacations once a year and not worry about having too little, or being afraid that everyone wants to take what's mine - that kinda happiest class).
    Yet the higher middle class is as happy as almost every other class (mid-mid is the happiest, when all the others are equally happy), but even though they're not the happiest, every other class aspires to it. I hope I've put my argument clear.
    Today's style was right.
     
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    It's not clear at all. The Democrats want to bring all of poor South America to the United States so that they can get their votes and take charge forever. To do that, the government have to pay for their lives and inundate the public schools with non English speaking children who will wreck the public education system. More of "the rich" will send their kids to private school. And private schools will not go away or be wrecked like the public schools. The rich Democrats will not put up with it.

    Along with the "honest" immigrants, there will be the trash ... the drug dealers, the criminals and the terrorists. Add to that the George Sotos district attorneys who refuse to prosecute criminals, and life becomes hell, especially in the cities. If Kamala and Democrats take over everything, life will be very bleak for someone who is not rich or a high government official. That's the way it is in the banana republics that the illegal immigrants the fleeing. They are voting for the same style of government that turned their countries into hell holes.

    There are two ways to get "comfortable." You work your butt off to get an education be it in college or increasingly in the trades. You work hard at your job or profession, and you save and invest. That's what my wife and I did. We are the kind of people the Democrats despise.

    The other way to get "comfortable" is to be a government official. Obama, the Clintons, Kamala Harris and the Bidens did not get rich by accident. Kamala's net worth is now about $8 million according to the Internet. How did she do that? It sure didn't come from making $200,000 a year. Do the math. With no consumption and no taxes, it would have taken her 40 years. How do these people in government get to be so rich?

    In the early 1950s, Congress voted to give Harry Truman a pension. He was really hard up after he was president. We don't see that today.

    I am sick and tired of hearing the bullshit phrase "trickle down economics." That phrase started in the late 1940s, and it's garbage. Someone has to raise the capital to build a company. Someone has to do the organization and build the corporate structure. Some people are workers, and some people are owners and bosses. Some people make more money than other people. Equality of income is not possible. People have different talents, and some people are more willing to work and put in the long hours than others.

    If you don't like that system, you can have the government do it. If you think it's bad now, the communist system is worse. Study the history of the Soviet Union. I did when I took a course in undergraduate school, "The Planned Economies." It cannot work, but don't tell that to the "true believers" who have never tried to make it work. You can have the Adam Smith "invisible hand" economy or you can have Joseph Stalin's five year plans where people end up as slaves to the state.
     
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    upload_2024-7-24_15-23-28.png .

    Nice summary.
     
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    Final polling numbers in 2020 before the election

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    Actually we the liberals pay the most taxes. So all the free things Harris is promising, they will go to MAGA voters.



    After the Midterms, One Party Controls All the Wealthiest Congressional Districts (yahoo.com)
    50 Wealthiest Congressional Districts in the US

    Biden-voting counties equal 70% of America’s economy. What does this mean for the nation’s political-economic divide? (brookings.edu)

    Another Clinton-Trump divide: High-output America vs low-output America (brookings.edu)

    Election 2020: Democratic counties represent 70% of U.S. GDP (cnbc.com)

    America has two economies—and they’re diverging fast (brookings.edu)


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    Underlying these changes have been eye-popping shifts in economic performance. Democratic-voting districts have seen their GDP per seat grow by a third since 2008, from $35.7 billion to $48.5 billion a seat, whereas Republican districts saw their output slightly decline from $33.2 billion to $32.6 billion.

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    Kamala is too stupid to pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel.
     
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    Did USA changed her constitution so “undocumented immigrant” can vote? if not the whole idea “ Democrats want to bring all of poor South America to the United States so that they can get their votes and take charge forever’ is a total BS, and belong in conspiracy theory section.
     
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    Voter fraud is the stock and trade of Democrat controlled cities. It’s been that way for generations, dating back to the beginning of the last century. If your candidates win the election, I will guarantee you that they will fast track the illegals to citizenship. When that happens, congratulations! Your party will be in control permanently.
     
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    How many people convicted of voter fraud in USA in last 50 years?
     
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    You haven't heard of illegal immigrants voting in local elections? Guess what parties allow them to do that ? And besides they don't have to change the Constitution, they will just declare blanket amnesty for all of the illegals.... Voila, 20 or 30 million new faithful Democrat voter
     
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    probably more than here are cases where legally owned automatic weapons or even AR 15s were used to murder americans.
     
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    the top one percent pay -when you include all taxes on income including the death tax and the Part B surcharge, 50% of the federal taxes. A strong majority of people making over 100K a year supported Trump. The people below the poverty line supported Biden

    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...ncome-voters-were-crucial-toppling-trump-2020

    blacks of all income levels strongly supported joetato
     
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    She has to be careful in the debate. Women get marked on different criteria. Trump can shout & scream & lie and he will be seen as 'assertive'. She only has to raise her voice slightly or correct him and she will be 'shrill'. Lots of sad little men out there who detst nothing more than a smart woman who disagrees with them - they become utterly apoplectic (but you post here, so you see it every day).

    She can beat him and beat him handily, but less is definitely more. Give him the rope & let him hang himself.
     
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