Has the Global Temperature Trend Turned to Cooling?

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  1. bringiton

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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'd rather not get ahead of the game.
     
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    You always weasel, so it's necessary to extract a no-weasel pledge from you ahead of time.

    Once I post that evidence, will you admit that all of your "temps are a fraud" claims were bogus and fake? or will you continue to weasel?
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    It will be a novelty to see you post evidence.
     
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    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I understand.

    If my record of predictions failed as consistently as the predictions of the deniers have, I'd also pretend to never have made all those failed predictions. I'd cherrypick, fudge and deny reality as much as you all do.

    Oh wait. I wouldn't any of that, since I'm honest. If I had failed as badly as all the deniers here, I'd admit I was wrong and apologize.
     
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    Says the guy who can only post links to bad propaganda, and then pretends such propaganda is evidence. You never post evidence. None of the dniers here do. They post bad propaganda, and run screaming from evidence.

    Obviously, you won't give a no-weasel pledge. I don't expect any denier to give such a pledge. You're all aware that weaseling is required and necessary for your cult to survive. The evidence always contradicts you, so you have to always be handwaving away the evidence.
     
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    40+ years of deniers failing with this prediction, and they still make it. You'd think they'd have learned.

    The funny part is how they're making it with El Nino looming. This isn't going to turn out well for them.
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Name calling and claims without foundation are not a good look. Just sayin'.
     
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    El Ninos may be few and far between, and weak when they do show up.

    ". . . On what to expect in the future, Dilley says we are already cooling now and that the Pacific has already begun to enter a cool cycle after having been in a warm cycle for the past 40 years. . . . "
     
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    BWAHAHAHAHHAAA!!

    So your idea of posting evidence is to secure an undertaking from the other side not to refute your bad and dishonestly manipulated evidence??

    Somehow, I kinda figured it'd be something like that....
    Identifying and rejecting fraudulent "evidence," like Lyin' Michael Mann's hockey stick temperature reconstruction that erased known, indisputable facts like the MWP and LIA, is not "weaseling." It is applying the standard of honest and responsible scientific inquiry. Ultimately, people can only check scientific claims against their own personal experience. And anyone can consult their own experience and determine that the central claims of CO2-centered climatology are objectively false.
     
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    Of course those are all just bald falsehoods.
    Because it would be absurd and anti-scientific -- which is why you want it. You are aware that the claims of CO2-centered climate "science" cannot withstand logical or scientific scrutiny, so you seek an undertaking from the realist side not to apply any logical or scientific scrutiny. You demand that everyone take everything you say on faith.
    Because it would be blatantly anti-scientific, like all of CO2-centered climate "science."
    The cult would consist of the people who claim the world will be consumed in flame unless everyone else obeys their scientifically groundless and absurd -- but politically useful -- dicta. You know: the people who, when their prognostications of doom are inevitably hilariously falsified, weasel and handwave away all the evidence. The evidence of actual physical events always contradicts you, so you have to always be handwaving away that evidence.
     
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    You are just makin' $#!+ up again. I have made exactly one (1) climate prediction, and it has come true: atmospheric CO2 will continue to increase, but temperature will not. Unless the sun returns to the multimillennial-high level of activity that characterized the late 20th century, we will not revisit the global temperature high of 2016.
    Fans of Lyin' Michael Mann can be called many things, but "honest" is not one of them.
    Garbage. Your side's prognostications of doom have failed much worse, and you will not admit you were wrong, nor will you apologize.
     
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    When the Glacial ice is over 100 feet in Montreal then ....... maybe.

    :mrgreen:
     
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    LOL... Here's a simple example. Yesterday, the metro area was 5F warmer than the surrounding smaller towns. How much of that 5F do you suppose was removed from the record? And if it wasn't entirely removed from the record, why does that recording have any merit at all?
     
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    Which record?

    If it's just a general historical record, it's used unadjusted.

    If it's something like the NASA GISTEMP v4 record, which uses the NOAA GHCNm v4 dataset for land temperatures, then all of the UHI was removed before putting it into the average. That's assuming that particular station was used in the dataset.
     
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    Any record that purports to show average global surface temperatures are significantly higher now than in the 1930s-40s.
    To support the false "rapid modern warming" narrative.
    No. The UHI effect was first adjusted to ensure that the "rapid modern warming" narrative would not be compromised by accurate temperature data.
     
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    La Nina Is Dead. El Nino will replace it. What are the implications? All in my new podcast.

    My new podcast (see below to access), reviews the major changes occurring in the tropics and what they imply for our future weather.

    Our long-lived (3-year) La Nina is over, with the sea surface temperatures in the Nino3.4 area now nearly exactly normal (see below)

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    The Pacific sea surface temperatures went from about 1C cooler than normal in December to near normal today
    The latest NOAA Climate Prediction Center (CPC) forecast is for the probability of El Nino conditions to be over 50% by next fall. , , , ,
     
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    Has the Global Temperature Trend Turned to Cooling ?

    ~ I don't know about the global temperature, but I say "Yes" to cooling temps in California ...
     
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    It appears la nina is over. It'll be interesting to watch global temps the next 4 to 5 years.
     
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    Yes. Please see my #267.
     
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    Recent Decades Of Cooling And Sea Ice Expansion Has Led To Declining Elephant Seal Populations
    By Kenneth Richard on 21. March 2023

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    The observed incapacity for southern elephant seals (SES) to withstand late 20th and early 21st century extreme cold and expanding sea ice conditions suggest coastal Antarctica (Victoria Land Coast, VLC) climate is colder and icier today than any time since the last glacial. A new study even suggests the last glacial (CO2 ~190 ppm) may have been warmer with less ice than today in this region.
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    The Southern Ocean (the seawater south of 60°S) occupies approximately 14% of the Earth’s surface (Turney et al., 2017). Since 1982 there has been a “significant and robust cooling trend” throughout the Southern Ocean surrounding Antarctica (Xu et al., 2022).

    Consequent to this robust cooling trend, the sea ice in the Southern Hemisphere has been expanding since the late 1970s (Comiso et al., 2017).

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    Image Source: Comiso et al., 2017

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    The article is wrong as there is a large Blueberry industry in America as my own state of Washington is the #1 producer with around a RECORD 180 MILLION pounds last year (LINK) a huge increase from 145 million pounds in 2017.

    Farmers go into the blue: Washington is tops in the country in blueberry production

    Mon., Oct. 16, 2017 | By Adriana Janovich

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    Blueberry production has ramped up across Washington during the past 10 years, including in Eastern Washington, where blueberries traditionally weren’t grown until relatively recently.

    Washington now ranks No. 1 in the country for overall blueberry production. In fact, Washington produces more organic blueberries than the rest of the states combined, according to Alan Schreiber, executive director of the Washington Blueberry Commission in Eltopia, north of Pasco.

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    Apparently Blueberries grow well in cold Michigan and warm Washington and cool Oregon. which is only around 1500 miles to the north of that cute red line.
     
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    The view in the article is more parochial.
    ". . . The third parallel universe is the ground truth of the sort experienced by our correspondent in Mississippi. She can’t grow things that she used to grow because of record low temperatures. . . ."
     
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    Still sustaining the decline.
    UAH Global Temperature Update for March, 2023: +0.20 deg. C
    April 3rd, 2023
    The Version 6 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for March 2023 was +0.20 deg. C departure from the 1991-2020 mean. This is up from the February 2023 anomaly of +0.08 deg. C.

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    The linear warming trend since January, 1979 remains at +0.13 C/decade (+0.11 C/decade over the global-averaged oceans, and +0.18 C/decade over global-averaged land). . . . .
     

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