Here is the problem with China on CV19

Marxists defend China as well as their virus we have had to fight. Trump won that fight.

The Bats in the Wuhan area are fruit bats. They can't be the source of CV19. Do you get it eating fruit?

 

Nobody has "defended China".

And, Trump won absolutely NOTHING.

This is just utter nonsense concerning how viruses are transmitted.

 

That is fine. We have an expert on China that explains it to everybody.

 

Sounds to me like now you defend Marxists.

 

This is just plain stupid.

What we have to be focused on is defending America and the world against pandemics.

Your silly crap about political systems does imply an impediment, but it is NOT AN EXCUSE for ignoring what is needed.

 

The truth value of this individual's statement is not known. Nor does it suffice as an investigation of what happened.

At most it is a data point.

The objective still has to be to get to the bottom of what happened AND work with China toward creating a cooperative solution to defending against further outbreaks of the SARS that is known to be endemic in that region of China - and throughout SE Asia, by the way.

Conspiracy theories and hate pitched at China are a DETRIMENT to our objectives.

 

That sounds good if you actually listened to the Virologist from WHO and China explain this to you.

Did you actually understand what she told you?
Why do you think China ever will cooperate?

Do you hate America because you hate Trump?

 

No, I know nothing except what I said: in the age of biological weapon development, the response cannot be what it just was with Covid. They basically said nothing to see here, move on, and we did. This kind of response will get our goose cooked in the event of a real attack. I'm 100% on that alone. There must be an international procedure that transparently absolves the country of origin of a pandemic, and if that procedure is refused, full intelligence, cyber, etc., will be used, regardless of sovereignty or disruption issues, against the refusing party in order to determine if it was an attack, or negligence in preparation for an attack. As far as avoiding civilian research negligence, there needs to be a moratorium on any research resembling gain of function. If it is determined that the research is necessary, even after all this, it should be an international effort like space, and they should work together, on a boat, with ports strictly controlled.

 

Why are you attacking the Virologist from China who worked at WHO?

 

She has research papers she has provided.
Your mission seems to me to defend communist China. Hers is to defend the world from Communist China.

 

Biden isn’t interested in the truth because he would have to say Trump was right, and we can’t have that, can we?

 

Tell you what though HeartB. Maybe. Certainly more likely that with that isolationist world hatrer Trump. So I hope so. I am Canadian. I would prefer to live next door to the US then China. We have our free trade fights over lumber, lobster, oil, gas, milk. Your Senators and Congressmen are just as competitive protecting their turf with other US states as they are Canada-its politics. We too try protect our interests but HeartB when the US has done business we wanted it. We welcomed it. We welcomed their investing and taking the risks because we were to damn conservative too. And for the most part its worked out pretty good. The US as world power has helped Canada. Could I say that about trade with China? Could anyone?

Does anyone who calls the US evil capitalists want to tell me they would prefer having China be the no. 1 world power of trade. What does it do in Sudan, Mozambique, Angola, Congo, Iran, Iraq other than suck the oil dry and pay off a few leaders?

You know people say oh the bad US puts military bases everywhere. Those bases create spin off economy. So does its evil Coca Cola amd MacDonalds. Can we say that about Chinese investments?

Thanks I will stick with you Yanks as the economic engine. I also know the US has health laws.Yah you guys have yer damn issues. So do we in Canada. Do not get me wrong but China is a massive Borg structure and it just does not take the time for the most basic of human decencies for its people like their health.

 

Its early with Biden foreign policy but I hope it counters China.

 

Too early to know. Please don't tell me Trump's approach achieved anything other than give China an excuse to ridicule the US and pose as a friendly alternative to him.

 

Hey let's be crystal clear. I do not promote hate of Chinese people. I DO ABSOLUTELY and will continue to criticize its government over its lack of health policies, its treatment of Hong Kong, Tibet, Muslims in its country, two Canadians arrested as hostages, to name but a few things.

I think its communist party system is corrupted and out of touch with its people and cancer out of control.

Here is the latest:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/02/world/asia/h10n3-bird-flu.html

You stated in regards to the above:

"Every once in a while one of those variants is going to figure out how to cross to humans.

And, at present there is nothing humans can do about that."

Nonsense. All these cross overs come out of China. Why? Its directly related to unhealthy sanitation practices. Its people leave meat out in the sun with no proper protection against bacterias and viruses cultivating in the open air. Then they do not wash their hands or practice any conditions of sanitation with their hands and handle these pieces of meat and touch other people.

Of course its preventable. We have health practices all across Canada that prevent or swifly contain such things. China does not and they are responsible.

You are mixing up to arguments-guaranteeing the world never has viruses or communicable diseases with our ability as humans to help prevent and contain their spread. I talk of the latter, you of the former.

China fails on the former. I have not argued they can completely eliminate disease. No one has. Basic hygiene measurers would be a start and that is where their government which has no problems arresting thousands who disagree with it, and placing them in jail when they want to enforce a law turn the other way when it comes to enforcing health laws.

Its inexcusable and their government is a world criminal for its failure to engage in sanitary food practices and to have reported the outbreak as early as possible and stop its people from travelling to have spread it.

 

Just to add I think appeasing China just empowers it to continue to be a criminal state in the way it handles its health issues and Covid 19.

https://www.ocregister.com/2020/04/...munist-government-for-the-spread-of-covid-19/

I also would argue appeasing its bullying Vietnam, the Phillippines, South Korea, Indonesia, Japan and Taiwan in the South China seas would only further encourage its complete lack of respect for their off shore rights and borders.

I would argue argue appeasing China while it slaughtyers innocent Muslims inside its country, illegally occupies Tibet, harasses India's mountain borders and arbitrarily arresting its citizens in Hong Kong only embolds it to continue acting like a facist state.

You got body odour I say so.

 

Who spread CV19 into the USA? If you guessed it was China, you win.

 

Robert I am no Trump supporter but I have no disagreement with how he dealt with China after Covid 19. With respect Biden has just continued where Trump left off. I have a pro American foreign policy over China yes. I follow Mitt Romney's foreign policy or Bush's with China which is no different than Biden. I think Obama pulled the US off world stage empowering China. I do not think Biden will change the approach in the South China Seas. I am not looking for a war hiding behind the US but your country standing up to them has to be thanked. This is a tough ruthless country.

 

Actually, just China and Fauci deserve blame. China Lied, People Died, Fauci Help Cover it up.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/453564/

President Trump was right the whole time.
Senator Cotton was right the whole time.
Rand Paul was right the whole time.
The GOP was right the whole time.
The Fake News and Fake Checkers who claimed they had been "debunked" are liars.
Fauci was wrong, and had every reason to know it, and Trump was right.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/453456/

Only a fool has faith in them.
Only a fool trusts them.

 

The WHO report of the only official investigation and the members of that investigation clearly stated that more investigation is necessary.

So, I don't know where you got your comment above.

Good!! You are moving to what we need to do rather than the standard "hate China, assume the worst, create conspiracy theories for partisan domestic disruption" diatribe.

Yes, we need to know what ACTUALLY happened.

And the objective has to be progress toward defending the world against future such events.

How much progress can be made with China is a significant factor. And, it is an issue that requires world wide cooperation. We can make more progress with China if the world demands that progress than we can if it's just more of the US spouting conspiracy theories and hating China's political system.

 

Please point to ONE SENTENCE that could possibly support this nonsense.

 

I don't like their political system or their policies that you mention, either.

Our best understanding to date is that this virus came from bats and/or pangolins that are known to carry at least 20 thousand SARS variants.

How it reached humans is not as well known. It could have been taken to the Wuhan lab, for example, and subsequently escaped from there.

It came from China because that's where the vast reservoir of SARS virus varieties live.

This is OBVIOUSLY false.

We found out about COVID19 when almost nobody in the US or Canada was infected.

And, we TOTALLY FAILED at anything that could POSSIBLY be considered prevention.

Instead, we turned it into an anti science political food fight with idiots claiming that even just wearing a mask was WAY to much to POSSIBLY be considered.

Blaming China ASSUMES as a predicate that they could have prevented this disease.

If they couldn't prevent it, then blaming them is ridiculous. You don't blame people for stuff that they had no power to prevent.

NOW you accuse them of unsanitary food practices??? What makes you think that had anything to do with it? Plus, pretty much EVERY country in the world could be accused of not having strong enough food safety. And, there are those with greater safety than our own. In Europe, people can safely eat raw eggs. In Germany, people eat raw pork.

Until we know what happened, blaming them makes no more sense than accusing them of having infected bats and pangolins in the Wuhan region. And, just exactly how much sense does THAT make?

 

I love taking my sopping wet mask off and displaying the disgusting Petri dish, while saying, "Trust the science, not your own good instinct that tells you not to wear this disgusting thing". Liberal Amazon management doesn't take too kindly to my show.

 

I disagree with your well reasoned statements but let me assure you I get you and I know you do NOT defend any unfair dictatorial policies and are asking for objective data.

I do want China held accountable but not like someone seeking a quick scapegoat. I Think though there is sufficient information they covered up the break out, killed people who tried to speak out and I see no deliberate chemiclal warfare just dirty marketplace standards. Common sense hygiene preventative tactics and regulations to be enforced when serving any kind of meat let alone produce not properly kept.

You have seen the pictures of the markets. People openly handle bat, rat, any think with flesh. They do not package it, use gloves, its full of blood, ticks, fleas, maggots, black flies, left in the heat. No one washing hands. People use their own urine as disinfectant. People are sneezing and breathing on it all. Its a friggin petri dish and it repeats every year from China and the same market places.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/inside-filthy-animal-market-coronavirus-21361314

 

You may need to change your mask more often.

There are lots of things that are wonderful, but that science indicates ones own good instincts are seriously misleading.