Hillary Clinton compares Weinstein to Trump

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  1. greatdanechick

    greatdanechick Well-Known Member

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    Let is not a yes. You can run up and hug someone giving them no time to refuse, plus catching them off guard. Does that mean they let you do it because you were able to? No. Consent is asking someone and getting a yes. Trump said "I just start kissing them, I don't even wait." So where in there is he asking?

    Then you add on the intimidation factor of his wealth and power and who is going to report that? Many women don't report when it's a regular guy because too often nothing happens.
     
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    They were not back stage doing anything. 19 and 20 year girls are under age, hotshot, maybe not legally, but under age.
    They were not show girls, and they were uncomfortable with his incursion. And if it was your daughter, you would have ok with that, right? And he went in to their room to get his rocks off, according to him. Did you hear him brag? I did. So understand it for what it was, and stop flapping.
     
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    The problem isn't a republican or democrat problem, it's a men problem. Men need to learn how to get consent, not be creeps and most of all hold each other to higher standards.
     
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    And again what part of locker too braggadocio is 96% bs do you not understand? Further a hug is one thing shoving a hand down the front of a woman's panties without obtaining permission first is assault and would net the woman in question a bunch of money and/or Trump a prison sentence, provided they could prove it.
     
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    Even a little research indicates just how loose the morality of the Clinton marriage has been, on both sides. It goes beyond anything one could imagine a person in high office could get by with- even if you discount 90% of it. This is not the pot calling the kettle black, because that pot is more like a black hole.
     
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    Under what age?

    In this liberal fantasy world you live in, what 19 or 20 year old is underage from where exactly?

    They were apparently walking around in bikinis, which is definitely a show.

    At 19 or 20 my daughter would legally be able to make her own decisions, so there would be nothing I could do.

    Can 19 or 20 year old women not make up their own minds? Do men need to do it for them?
     
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    There is "legal" and there is moral. He is immoral. I don't live in a liberal fantasy world, my friend, but rather a realistic world, actually more conservative. He did not describe them as being in bikinis, either. Bikinis would be a non starter for his conversation. He described
    them as being undressed. Sure they can make up their own minds to have privacy and not be leered at by Trump. Again, did you hear the conversation? And it would be ok with you if your 19 year daughter walked around naked in front of Trump? You don't have a
    daughter, do you?
     
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    15 years old!

    Trump entered the Miss Teen USA changing room where girls as young as 15 were in various states of undress.

    Mariah Billado, Miss Teen Vermont 1997 told BuzzFeed, "I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, 'Oh my god, there's a man in here.'" Three other teenage contestants from the same year confirmed the story. The former pageant contestants discussed their memories of the incident after former Miss Arizona Tasha Dixon told Los Angeles' CBS affiliate that Trump entered the Miss USA dressing room in 2001 when she was a contestant.

    "He just came strolling right in," Dixon said. "There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Others girls were naked. Our first introduction to him was when we were at the dress rehearsal and half-naked changing into our bikinis."

    "You know, no men are anywhere. And I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant. And therefore I'm inspecting it... Is everyone OK? You know, they're standing there with no clothes. And you see these incredible-looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that," he said.


    (Billado told BuzzFeed she mentioned the incident to Trump's daughter, Ivanka, who shrugged it off, saying, "Yeah, he does that.")
     
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    It isn't strange. It's the usual right wing double standard.
     
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    Substitute "kiss" for "hug" and how do you feel? He said he "just starts kissing them I don't even wait". Does that mean someone is allowed to just put their mouth on yours without asking?
     
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    If Harvey Weinstein looked like Brad Pitt, I would wager that there would be less complaints about his conduct.

    Sadly, Harvey looks like an overweight, greasy, pig who represents the worst of Hollywood's abuse of power.
     
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    So, it's fine if he told employees that he would fire them if they didn't have sex with him....

    Or

    Walked into the dressing room at a teen pagent and walked them undressed, and even groped them? (These wee underaged girls btw, ages 14 to 17)


    That'sthe type of **** that Trump did.
     
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    Source?
     
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    Again what part of locker braggadocio is garbage do you not understand? I've witness enough such conversations in my life to fully understand the phrase, "The first liar never has a chance."

    Put it this way, the longer such conversation go on the more they vary from the truth.

    One last since you probably think Trump lies about everything, why are you so convinced that he's telling the truth about this? Especially that the milieu in which it was stated is one in which lying is no only commonplace but expected and accepted.
     
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    There are many women who have backed up what he said. So if women are accusing him and he's admitting it, why shouldn't I believe him? Let's pretend for a minute that it isn't true, can we at least agree that the conversation didn't occur in a locker room? It was between a professional acquaintance when they were doing an interview. Now it might not have been during the interview, but it's not like Trump was shootin' the s*%# with his buddies at the bar. That kind of "locker room" talk is not appropriate for the work place. They weren't just speaking in theory, they were also talking about another professional colleague they were about to interact with in person.

    Lastly, just because conversations like that happen doesn't mean they should. I'm not for policing the bar or actual locker room, but during a work function... tasteless at best, harassment or assault at worst. "Locker room" talk excuses are what perpetuate this crappy male chauvinistic behavior.
     
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    There's been one. Who claims something happened 20 years ago, and she was paid to say it buy a notoriously Trump hating web site. There has been no such thing from Trump employees, and he employees and promotes more women than almost anyone else in the construction biz. As far as the conversations themselves I tend to avoid them if I possibly can neither ladies nor gentlemen should kiss and tell. Nor should anyone be attempting to pad his or her rep at someone else's expense especially so when sex is involved.
     
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