How do we spend 3/4 trillion dollars on defense, yet our borders are insecure?

We could really do with a thread on the Monroe Doctrine, but I don't know enough about it to start one.

He should be, I think there's been more chaos at the Southern border than there was at Jan 6th.

 

The point I am making is if it is done, there definitely will be racial profiling even among US citizens and legal aliens, which confounds the issue, especially if the law is broad enough. We are seeing that in Alabama and in Florida where the immigration laws were so broad in the fact that even legal persons were having trouble.

We can take the purchasing of property where no one from a certain country can own. The law is broad enough in which the intent is no foreign person, but there was nothing to say about legal immigrants or even citizens. And why should a person of Chinese descent, who is an American citizen by birth, go twice the effort to purchase a house than some white person? And that is where the problem lies, in our society, beyond the willingness of political parties to look at the root cause.

 

The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 prohibiting the use of the military for civilian law enforcement. Repeal it if you want to have the DoD arresting people at the borders.

 

They are allowed to operate in the US if it is for training exercises or humanitarian efforts. But they cannot do law enforcement per the Posse Comitatus Act.

Yes the border is speficially in the hands of CBP, which is part of homeland security. We have 25000 agents. We had 3000 in the 1980s, some 10000 in the early 1990s, some 20000 in the 2000s, and now we have 25000 agents. So, do you really think it is the policies in place here or the fact that no one is looking at the root cause, just the symptoms here?

 

We have THE strongest military in the world because it's fully (for the most part) funded. ?IF? our boarder is insecure it's because Congress (left and right) isn't fully committed to securing it. But the hidden fact in the OP is also that the military is forbidden to become a police force, so the two have nothing to do with each other.

 

The root cause is the white house. The administration wants open borders so that is what we have.

 

The root cause is our economy. They are coming here for jobs, period. that is it. If we don't have any jobs for them, like in the great recession from 2007 to 2009, they will leave. And they did. We actually had a drop in the number of illegals living in our country at that time.

 

And you actually believe that's the job of the military.

 

Cool story, but they have had control many times, and yet haven't done it for some reason.

 

Well, military personnel from Northern Command are on the border now. Around 1,500 usually at one time out of 4,000 authorized to help with border security. Yes, the job of the military is to help secure the border from threats.

 

It’s a different Democratic Party now. They play for keeps now. House Bill 1 in 2021 would have given the Democrats a stranglehold on the elective process.

Besides, I thought that you are an “independent” who supports candidates from various parties.

 

I would suggest the problem is a common one in US political
terminology, that the terms are badly defined.

The Department of War meant both personnel trained for their roles in war, and the equipment such as ships or aircraft, or information such as observation and communication.

And again 'Weapons Manufacture' is meaningful. 'Defense manufacture' suggests walls or fortifications to defend something, and not sending an aircraft carrier loaded with planes and weapons a few thousand miles to attack some city or something, so far away they are incapable of defending the homeland, as happened on Sept 11.

On Sept 11 in 2001 it was evident the Department of Defense had no direct responsibility for defense, so various agencies that could do defense were integrated into 'Homeland Security' and it gets about 10% of the funding allocated to the DoD so now the DoD does some defense, though mainly it seems to cause trouble in other parts of the globe.

 

Preventing weapons, criminals, and dangerous narcotics
from entering the country would be a function of defense.

But with the meaning of defense as in the Department of
Defense it is a military function and isn't strictly defense
in the correct meaning of the word.

It should be called the Department of War as it used to be.

In the dystopian novel 1984 the department of war was
called 'the Ministry of Peace'. So they make war in the
attempt to maintain peace.

It's the same sort of double speak as we use increasingly
these days.

 

Impossible is an excuse. We're supposed to be processing all those applications now. We can put the resources with our embassies without a lot of fuss or added expense. The two big advantages are that desperate poor people won't be forced to make a long, dangerous, expensive trek to our border with no assurance they can be accepted. It also means no ILLEGAL migrant industry, and our overseas staff are in a better position to evaluate applications.

Everifile isn't perfect, but it is free and pretty simple to use. The "burden" on small business is literally nothing. Setting an employee up for payroll is more difficult.

Bonding visas means if you co.e here on, say an education visa your university bonds you. If you don't meet the visa conditions we can expect the university to let ICE know, cooperate with finding you, and getting you gone. Just like bonding out of jail. Let the university, hospital, or employer fund the cost of deporting ILLEGAL visa holders.

Finally, why people want to come here is obvious, and it isn't our job to fix all the problems other countries have. We have our own problems, starting with out of control border invasions.

Oh, and sorting out all the ILLEGALS here now? Aren't we supposed to be doing that now? Either deport or make em citizens, but do something.

 

We don't need them in the US as lower cost replacements for American workers.
If they really want a US income they should be willing to join the army and fly to
the other side of the world to fight Ukrainians, because being an American
citizen comes with an agreement to help defend the country if called upon
to do so.

 

Those applications are labor intensive and there are not enough adjudication officers in which this can be done quickly. For instance, it takes two years for a K1 visa to go from USCIS processing to the State Department to the Embassy to the final interview, and that is if your fiance has no kids under the age of 21. It also takes longer in certain countries, and with some K1 visa holders, they have to travel to another country where the embassy actually processes immigration requests. Not all do. This is not a point-and-click sort of thing and the amount of paperwork that both a US Citizen who is sponsoring the fiance and what the Fiance has to go through is also staggering. Ai is not going to help in this case, and we are not yet, not even close, to Star Trek technology. Me thinks you have no experience in immigration issues whatsoever.

If you are already here on a J, F, M, or Q visa, or a BI/B2 visa, then you are already here legally when you pass through customs. Why bond? Are you suggesting that all legal immigrants are criminals now? This does not make any sense. Sort of like you bonding and placing a $5000 bond if you want to go visit another state just in case you act stupid. That won't work and why Senator Vance's proposal won't even get a Senate vote. Most of the other republicans dont want to vote for that atl especially if they are running for reelection.

What you don't get is that many small businesses hire a professional human resources company with certain benefits. That Human Resource company who does all the official paperwork for hiring, firing, benefits, payroll, etc, will have to do this. And they will charge, and that means increasing costs to the small business owner. The small business owner will not have time to go to a government website and try to learn how to create an account, use the system, and actually input the information from the projected employee. that is why the small business owner hired the third-party human resource company to begin with.

We are not fixing all the problems, we are just fixing the problems that affect us or that impact us. and we do this all the time with other countries whether it is with treaties, agreements, protocols, and so forth. This is what diplomacy is for, is it not? Or have you forgotten your HS civics lessons already? That being said if we know they are coming here for the jobs, and there are no jobs in their home country, we could help by liberalizing their economy in which more jobs are created and they can stay. We also can help with getting the police more professional as we did in Columbia BTW with much success, and somewhat successful in Mexico, but at least we can try. We can also improve our legal immigration system where it is not expensive as hell for the average US Citizen.

 

American workers are not going to those jobs anyway. And if they do go, they are a hell of a lot less efficient than the migrant workers.

 

Trump means it. And he will have nothing to lose since he can't run again.

Nothing (except the corruption) is Joe Bidens fault. He doesn't even understand what he's been told to say.

 

That is not a function of defense, that is a function of intelligence and law enforcement, and we have plenty of law enforcement agencies to go around. Our problem, they don't always talk or trust one another. And that is a cultural issue, not a legal one. And that was one of the problems we had with our 9/11 intelligence.

Our Defense is bound by the Posse Comitatus Act and other laws. They can provide humanitarian relief but that is about it. And the founding fathers did not want a large, active military. As one founding father said, do you want one regiment or both? But after WW2, we learned we needed a large military to protect our security interests and to preven the threat of communism from spreading. We still do this even though the adversaries have changed somewhat.

You need to understand that the book 1984 was a fictional book. It has not happened yet nor will it happen. I take the book 1984 and apply it to both the Republican and Democratic parties. Oh hell, I can apply to any political party in the United States if I had the inkling to.

 

We actually spend zero defending our borders. All of the border money spent is used for helping illegals out of the water, giving them food, housing, medical care and processing them.

 

Labor intensive. Time consuming.
How does any of that get worse if we process applications overseas or in some office in DC or El Paso?
Doesn't, does it?
False issue.
Travel to another country? WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY'RE DOING NOW?? Instead of a dangerous 3,ooo mile journey, how about a 500 mile journey?

Bonding visas just gives assurance visa holders will leave when they're supposed to. Your American traveling between states analogy is a straw man. If a visa holder leaves, they get their bond back.

You clearly have never been a small business or dealt with e verify. I have, I consulted with hundreds of small companies and helped many enroll in e verifiy. It is literally a 5 minute process to run a verification and oh, by the way, many HR companies will do them at no added charge. E verify is the least time intensive and most effective process. And companies that background check employees (over half of all new hires) include e verify anyway.
Not an issue.

As for fixing other country problems, not our job, is it? I put border security and the sanctity of our borders as a much higher priority than fixing Venezuela's economy or providing a better life to Ugandans.

 

This earns my anti-American attitude award for the week.

 

Which isn't the role of the military in the first place(Not that you said it was).