How many Jews died in the gas chambers?

Nobody is question the number of dead people in Gaza, but many people question how many of them were Hamas terrorists and how many were killed by Hamas and how many killed by Israel.

I have to admit that after a short interview with Hamas I would agree with Hamas on any number they provide, to find why search youtube with "Hamas Tortures Gazans" (the forum does not allow to post violet videos).

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israe...amas-torturing-palestinian-detainees-in-gaza/

 

They're ridiculous clowns. Now I'll get banned for saying so. lol

 

I'm not in a position to be sure about this. It may turn out to be true and it may turn out to be false. I wouldn't rule it out. The science is what makes or breaks an issue such as this (See link at the bottom of post #51).

 

Why don't you two address the science?

 

No "science" had been provided to address.

 

Click on the at the bottom of post #51.

 

I don't do Gish Gallups anymore. Quote the part that you think (falsely) supports your narrative and we can discuss it. Otherwise, I have no interest in this attempt to flee and hide.

 

Read some of this.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...locaust-denial.609023/page-25#post-1074266521

It was impossible to remove the bodies after the alleged gassings in the way they described.


If you have time later, check this info out.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...locaust-denial.609023/page-13#post-1074256367

 

I've already addressed this Holocaust denialism bull **** in the past. You have nothing. No, it wasn't impossible to remove more bodies. Bodies can be moved. People can lift things. This is literally what the denialists are reduced to.

 

This is a classic example of avoidance by "Hand-waving".

Hand-waving
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand-waving
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Hand-waving (with various spellings) is a pejorative label for attempting to be seen as effective – in word, reasoning, or deed – while actually doing nothing effective or substantial.[1] It is often applied to debating techniques that involve fallacies, misdirection and the glossing over of details.
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A lot of viewers are probably actually checking out the info. There's no way people could have removed the bodies so soon after the gassings. There still would have been a lot of poison in the air.

 

That's not what that term means. But I do appreciate your confession that you can't actually defend your bull **** about having "science" that disproves the scientifically proven gas chambers. Magnanimous of you.

 

Please address the actual issue. The story given about how the bodies were removed after the alleged gassings would have been impossible because the people removing the bodies would have been poisoned too.

 

Gas masks exist and the Nazis did not care about the people they were sending in. Also, gas dissipates. Learn.

 

Not enough in twenty minutes according to the info.

I see you were the one with whom I discussed this a year and a half ago.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...locaust-denial.609023/page-25#post-1074266521

The viewers can look at the discussion and come to their own conclusions.


More on the gas chamber issue here...
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...d-in-the-gas-chambers.623029/#post-1075095317

 

so did South America. and the French Foreign Legion fighting the Viet Minh up through the debacle at Diem Bien Phi in 1954 had lots of former Wehrmacht solders in it though the French cracked down on Nazis in that group around 1947

 

WWI and the gas attacks meant most of the top armies issued gas masks to their soldiers at the start of the second war though the only place I recall poison gas being used in that era was against Ethiopians by the Italian fascists. Both the allies and the Axis had developed chemical weapons but neither side used them due to fear of retaliation

 

You are putting too much emphasis on specific details rather than the theme. The theme is one can be hated by a country one day but they can treat him with respect and legitmacy and do business with him the next day. Its not just America where that happens or has happened through history.

I am not going to dig all just to find one guy that matches such specific criteria perfectly...like some obscure French guy who opened a French language school or French restaurant in Russia after the Napoleonic Wars...how would I even begin that search?

 

I would not hold up the Soviet Union as an example of the rest of the world through history. Just one look at their gulags is enough to put them in a category where you don't expect much normal from them.

Without checking (and how could I really?) I seem to have vague memories of stories regarding Japanese having small businesses in the Philippines, Vietnam, and Taiwan after WW2.

 

I certainly believe the Holocaust happened. I believe many people that the Nazis called "undesirables" were murdered with poison gas in chambers, esp. Jews.

But the hell that Bob Newhart was given for simply pointing out that no one could even offer a ball park figure for the number killed by gas didn't undermine him...it undermined everyone refusing to give a ball park figure for something that is crucial in proving the gassings happened in significant numbers when we are talking about the murders of literally millions.

I mean, I am sure a lot of people died from heart attacks at the death camps, but that isn't brought up whenever the Holocaust is mentioned.....gas chambers are.

His question was fair. Everyone who stone-walled did so on their own. I had no answer either but if I had invested so much in the thread I would have just looked up a number, not throw a GD fit about it.

Throwing a fit is why holocaust denial continues...it might even be gaining in popularlity. We have to do better...simple as.

 

You obviously have an agends here. You are desperatley looking for validation for whatever point you are trying to make, but I'm not playing your little game. I don't like to be manipulated by someone so clumsy at it as you. Just tell us what point you are trying to make and stop with this childish charade.

 

a lot, no one will ever know the exact number, sure it's been exaggerated some, but it was a lot, horrible time in human history

 

Even if this is manipulation, you shouldn't take it so hard. The Holocaust is not just a special event with many unique aspects....its also, somewhat mistakenly, held up as a DEFINING event. As such, there is no room for sloppiness, but the numbers ARE sloppy. VERY sloppy. There are both good and bad reasons for that sloppiness, but getting defensive and indignant about it to try and deny the sloppiness only damages the credibility of the Holocaust.

"The Holocaust kill rate is some 10 times higher than estimates suggested by authorities on comparative genocide." from https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aau7292

At a time when the people who claim to be victims of a genocide (Israel) is committing a genocide (in Gaza), while using the first genocide as a shield to excuse the genocide they are perpetrating, it has NEVER been more important to make sure the numbers are right. The Israelis are have told so very many outrageous lies, exaggerating or downplaying to degrees of insanity to excuse their murderousness over the decades,...and where did most of our information about the Holocaust come from? The fking Israelis.

Once again, I do not deny the Holocaust. It would be ridiculous to do so. But to deny that the Israelis would exaggerate and fudge numbers for advantage is just as ridiculous.

 

People who think there were no gassings don't deny there was a holocaust. They think it was exaggerated.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...locaust-denial.609023/page-19#post-1074264152

They think that because they've taken the time to look at the research and have been objective about it. Click on the link at the bottom of post #51.

 

What the Nazis did to the Jews was horrible, whether they killed 1 or 100,000,000, but it does not excuse what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza, any more than anything excuses what Hamas did to the Israeli people. I have nothing but contempt for any group that targets civilians, and yes, members of the U.S. government are guilty of that too, and I make no excuses for them either. If I was a religious man, I would say that their was a special place in hell for them.

 

You and I agree. But the world is full of dim people, and to dim people, it does excuse it.

Sorry, but a lack of education excuses them. No one was born knowing better, and the Israeli government has done all it can to block such lessons.

Even so, its amazing how many Israeli civilians were killed by the IDF, how many IDF and police were killed by Hamas, and how many Israeli hostages returned to Israel insisting they were well treated. We have to be very careful with the numbers Israelis give us, because they surely grossly overestimate the number of civilians killed by Hamas while completely denying them the everyday Israeli excuses of "collateral damage" and "human shields".

Honestly, I despise the U.S.A., but if the Taliban ever got hold of me, I would expect them to torture and kill me after what so many of my idiot countrymen did to them or advocated, even over my objections. What Israel is doing to Palestinians is 2 to 3 times worse. Had I been born in a prison camp like Gaza, I am sure I would have butchered every Israeli I met, even the babies. Only education has stayed my natural vengeful streak, a part of myself I have LEARNED to hate. Gazans never got all that I had. So I fully expect them to act like enraged animals, and excuse them for doing so.