How many Jews died in the gas chambers?

In other words, you can't refute a single thing I've both written and supported.

"Abject silliness" is believing that millions of people were killed by something that never existed.

Please simply think for yourself.

1. If millions of Jews were killed in homicidal gas chambers, hundreds if not thousands of them (gas chambers) would have existed.
Where are they all? There's not a single blueprint of a homicidal gas chamber anywhere. Why?

2. As you may know, the British cracked the German "Enigma" code and intercepted German radio transmissions.
Why do these radio transmissions discuss executions by shooting and hanging but not one radio transmission mentions anything about executions / killing by homicidal gas chambers:

"The Enemy Is Listening!"
https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/8/1/4028

EXCERPT "Oddly, only a very few Holocaust historians were interested in the information on the concentration camps. The reason for this astonishing lack of interest is presumably due to the following remark by author Hinsley:

The messages from Auschwitz, the largest camp, with 20,000 inmates,[4] mention disease as the chief cause of death, but also include references to executions by hanging and shooting. The decoded messages contain no references to gassings.

To sum up, the following facts may be considered established: The messages deciphered at Bletchley Park undoubtedly constitute one of the most reliable sources on the course of events during the Second World War. They provide information on undertakings of the German army, navy, and air force. They provide an insight into the events occurring behind the Russian front and the conditions in the concentration camps. Since the reports from Auschwitz contain no information on mass killings, the question of whether the British Intelligence Service "knew about the Holocaust," can be answered with a single word: "No!. CONTINUED

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I've already shown several examples of deliberate hoaxes churned out by Holocaustian Hucksters like the "vaporizer" so the desperate attempt to deceive the gullible is indisputable.
Therefore, based on the innumerable fantastic fables parroted by some of the gullible rubes here, I can see why P.T. Barnum chose America to make his fortune where "There's a sucker born every minute."

"Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
http://ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales." CONTINUED


What more proof do you need that fraudulent Holocaust Hucksters have been deceiving the dull witted for decades?

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...he-jews-part-2.610995/page-26#post-1074357398

 

I have read thousands of pages about WWII and the allied defeat of Nazi germany. Most of them discuss the holocaust. what value do you think you gain by trying to prove that gassings were not what was a major cause of the millions murdered by the Nazis? And yes, forcing people into conditions where typhus, cholera or starvation kills them is actually perhaps more depraced than shooting or gassing them

 

I was hoping that someone who actually believes the standard Holocaust narrative could answer the questions I have repeatedly asked but no one can answer:

1. If millions of Jews were killed in homicidal gas chambers, hundreds if not thousands of them (gas chambers) would have existed.
Where are they all? There's not a single blueprint of a homicidal gas chamber anywhere. Why?

2. As you may know, the British cracked the German "Enigma" code and intercepted German radio transmissions.
Why do these radio transmissions discuss executions by shooting and hanging but not one radio transmission mentions anything about executions / killing by homicidal gas chambers:

- "What more proof do you need that fraudulent Holocaust Hucksters have been deceiving the dull witted for decades?"




Really, why should we believe anything that the Holocaust Industry churns out when they have been lying from the beginning about fake "Human Skin" lampshades, "human fat" soap, shrunken heads and "human skin" pocketbooks?

Re:

George Orwell once wrote:
"Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."


In other words since "The victors write the history." so, unless you can read or write in the original German, you have only read what Allied propagandists want you to think.

"Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html

EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war.

No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out.

Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED


Re:

What's wrong with simply knowing the truth?

Thanks,

 

You're only further confirming that you can't refute anything I've both written and supported.

Since all you are capable of composing are illiterate and simple minded insults, get lost.

 

Hey Farnsworth...

Have you watched those videos to which I linked in post #19? That info would at least make an objective person suspicious.

 

You can't even cite which of those videos and which part of them even matters here. After being challenged. Several times. You've got jack ****. No one is "suspicious" of the garbage you've posted because YOU CAN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT YOUR OWN LINKS. The only worthwhile thing Hitler ever did with his life was to end it.

 

There's nothing to "refute." You haven't provided anything. You haven't supported anything.

 

I will now respond to this thread without trying to repeat what Yard, Frans and others have already said but to point out 4 statements of Prof. Snape I wish to challenge.

1. Post 106: a-Palestinians....butchered far fewer in insane rage than Israelis did calmly pushing a button.
2. Post 106: Gazans have good excuses to be over the edge. Israelis do not.
3.the fact you can't or won't distinguish between people who deny the Holocaust and those who question it is rather pathetic, and insulting, and insulting our intelligence.
4.Post 124:what Germany did to Russia was also an act of genocide.

In regards to 1, we can clearly see how Snapes rationalizes, justifies and trivializes what Hamas did on October 7 and all its other terror attacks against Palestinians, Israelis, non Israelis including non Israeli Jews by trying to engage in the argument that the no, of dead can be used as he does to say since the no. of Palestinian civilians killed since Oct.7 is more than Israelis killed, Israel can be demonized, i.e., he suggests it "calmly" pushes buttons to kill Palestinians.

To start with he derails the topic to advance a propaganda attack on Israel for defending itself and uses the term "calmly" to falsely demonize what the IDF does as cold blooded. In fact soldiers have died on the ground not calmly pushing buttons but trying to track down Hamas holding Palestinians as shields to continue attacking Israel and in so doing continue to use its civilians to die as a deliberate planned tactic.

Snapes will not of course hold Hamas morally accountable for holding its citizens as shields to die. Instead he pretends the IDF calmly kills Palestinians pressing buttons. He does not know what goes through the minds of the IDF on the ground and those who have died, have been wounded and/or permanently disabled trying to protect Palestinian civilians. To him this thread is an excuse to demonize the IDF and for that he should called out. He knows damn well no one calmy kills civilians and if anything Hamas cheered what they did. Israeli soldiers keep their emotions bottled up inside and detached as they live in the moment of a confrontation or war. They are not terrorists. They have no fixed ideology other than to protect the innocent both Palestinian and Israeli. I know I volunteered. Snapes does not know and he does everything I challenge dehumanize the IDF and all Israelis while claiming Israelis do the same to Palestinians,. That makes his words two faced and I would also argue cowardly in their subjective nature precisely because from his position of shelter and far away from conflict its easy for him to demonize no one is trying to kill him.

In regards to 2, you can see how stupid the comment is trying to suggest only Palestinians have been traumatized by the conflict. Its not worth challenging other than to show it reflects Snapes agenda which is to demonize Israelis and use this thread as a pretense to do so.

In regards to 3, Snapes I argue raises a false accusation to deflect from what he does on this thread. He is challenged for how he has responded to the thread by engaging in words that trivialize or down play the holocaust and also use it to make false accusations against Israel.

In regards to 4, Snapes engages in a classic act of holocaust trivialization suggesting the killing of Russian soldiers was no different than the killing of Jewish civilians. He equates the two as the same. You note he does not mention the Holodomor, the trivialization, deaths of all soldiers in WW2 were a genocide.

Genocide as we all know refers to the deliberate and systematic killing or persecution of a large number of people from a particular national or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

So the term genocide has been used for mass murders of Jews, Roma people. Jehova's Witnesses, 7th Day Adventists, homosexuals, socialists, communists who were taken en masse to be killed by the Nazis.

Everyone knows as tragic as the no. of soldiers died in WW2 or in any war, they are not considered civilians targeted because of their nationality or the above categories and so are not recorded as part of a genocide precisely because they are armed. In fact Russian soldiers were hated by the Nazis and many died and vice versa with Germans. Whether those constituted war crimes under the Geneva Convention is a separate legal issue to the holocaust.

The genocide given the name Holocaust was done so because of its specific and deliberate plan to kill of all Jews. The Holodomor was given its specific name to remember the targeting of Ukrainians with mass starvation by Stalin.

When we survivors of the Holocaust or Holodomor commemorate those killed we do not make comparisons like Snapes to pose as if there is nothing unique about them, We study them by studying their unique characteristics and their common ones to better understand why totalitarian regimes come into power and can mass kill civilians,

The Armenian genocide, the genocides in Biafra, Kampuchea, Sudan, Rwanda. Burundi, Congo, Zaire, East Timor, on and on-all are in one sense equally as horrible but they all are different and using one to make the others seem less unique is despicable and cowardly.

 

I now need to take time to refer to what Prof. Snapes said in post 97 and I quote:

" Once again, I do not deny the Holocaust. It would be ridiculous to do so. But to deny that the Israelis would exaggerate and fudge numbers for advantage is just as ridiculous."

Snapes has made a deliberate accusation that smears all Israelis, all Jews, all holocaust victims, all holocaust survivors, all righteous gentiles soldiers, underground and civilian that risked their lives or died saving Jews and fighting the Nazis.

Everyone of these people is rightfully honoured at Yad Vashem in Israel and at other Holocaust memorials specifically the Museum in Washington, D. All are commemorated by the state of Israel and Jews and war veteran groups from the Allied Armies.

This accusation that Israel "exaggerates" or "fudges" the numbers you note has no evidence presented by Snapes and that accusation is a form of Holocaust disinformation and therefore denial of what happened and that is what he is called out for. No you do not make such outrageous statements and claim they do not deny the extent and nature of the Holocaust and its uniqueness to Jews without denying the holocaust.

To be specific: the exercise of accusing anyone including Israel of exploiting or instrumentalizing the Holocaust or any form of antisemitism to benefit Israel, Jews or others financially or politically is outrageous. It is no different than saying to a rape victim-if you sue the rapist or demand they be put in jail you exploit that rapist.

Lets be clear. Snapes advanced the "Israel instrumentalizes the Holocaust" canard to suggest that they attempt to use the memory of the Holocaust as a tool to obtain power, wealth or to further the interests of Jews or of Israel is an attempt to delegitimize its right to exist as a nation and accuse all of the victims, survivors and people who fought the holocaust let alone Israelis demons.

It is precisely this canard that leads to ideas that Because Jews have exaggerated the scale or even manufactured the entire event of the Holocaust in order to impose feelings of guilt on the non-Jewish world, which can then be exploited for Jewish gain, Jews and Israelis should be hated and for this Snapes should be called out.

Further more he also stated in post 94 this passive aggressive statement which can only be assumed to mock the death of holocaust victims:

94: "I mean, I am sure a lot of people died from heart attacks at the death camps, but that isn't brought up whenever the Holocaust is mentioned.....gas chambers are."

What does that mean? Does he need to be told people died of heart attacks, malnutrition, diseases from forced starvation and labour? What no where does it state that in texts as to what happened to people in these camps? Bullshit.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32997481/

https://agsjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jgs.18485

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26040044/

Finally I wish to point out this classic example of holocaust trivialization and therefore denial Snapes engaged in also in Post 97:

97: "Even if this is manipulation, you shouldn't take it so hard. The Holocaust is not just a special event with many unique aspects....its also, somewhat mistakenly, held up as a DEFINING event. As such, there is no room for sloppiness, but the numbers ARE sloppy. VERY sloppy. "

Of course the holocaust was a defining event for Jews, how could it not be? For that matter it was most certainly a defining event for any human who was a victim who survived the holocaust or their relatives, children the civilians, soldiers who died fighting the Nazis. How would it not be. Imagine being the soldiers who liberated the camps. Remember how Eisenhower ordered the camps filmed by his engineering corps precisely so it would be used as the defining point in the Nuremberg Trials and to assure this piece of history could never be denied. Imagine being a righteous gentile who hid Jews, had relatives die because of their being a specific kind of Christian, socialist. communist, homosexual, Roma, disabled person. Come on to say its mistaken this was not a defining moment for them? Good God how flippant of the impact this had on such people let alone should have on others. If none of these genocides are considered defining moments to teach us NEVER AGAIN can we allow this to happen, i s it any wonder Prof. Snapes and many others make such statements and watch the events repeat lacking the insight to understand why they repeat?

Hamas repeats the very agenda of the Final Solution they inherited from the Mufti of Jerusalem an ally of Hitler during WW2. So does Hezbollah. They march with the goose-step and engage in the Nazi salute and repeat in their manifesto a mix of Hitlerian final solution with Koranic phrases.

Hey now, Hamas massacres, butchers, rapes Israelis and we have Prof. Snapes telling us not to take the Holocaust so hard and how this attack triggered this trauma as intensely as it could possibly do.

Nah its no big deal.

 

Holocaust revisionists don't deny that Jews were hanged, shot, died of starvation and typhus and generally mistreated in the concentration camps. The main thing they say is that there were no gassings. Those articles you posted show no evidence of gassings.

Have you watched those videos to which I linked in post #19?

 

The fact that you, too can only come up with puerile and snarky evasions explains why only 1/3 of the world (1) believes the nonsense that has been poured into your head by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry (2), (3)

Since you deny that my Post # 130 exists, I'll repeat just 3 questions I've asked countless times only to read some insulting and / or simple minded evasion.

I was hoping that someone who actually believes the standard Holocaust narrative could answer the questions I have repeatedly asked but no one can answer:

1. If millions of Jews were killed in homicidal gas chambers, hundreds if not thousands of them (gas chambers) would have existed.
Where are they all? There's not a single blueprint of a homicidal gas chamber anywhere. Why?

2. As you may know, the British cracked the German "Enigma" code and intercepted German radio transmissions.
Why do these radio transmissions discuss executions by shooting and hanging but not one radio transmission mentions anything about executions / killing by homicidal gas chambers?

- "What more proof do you need that fraudulent Holocaust Hucksters have been deceiving the dull witted for decades?"

[ PHOTO OF "HUMAN SKIN" LAMPSHADES, SHRUNKEN HEADS AND OTHER DELIBERATE HOAXES]




(1). ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

- Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

- people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED


(2). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(3) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED

 

how many Jews do you think were killed by the Nazis
by shooting hanging beatings
or by the obvious consequences of over work and being forced in unsanitary conditions with insufficient medical and food supplies

 

I'm sure there was another reason why there were gas chamber doors that locked from the outside, couldn't be opened from the inside, and had metal caging over the peepholes.

 

I'd be happy to discuss other aspects of the Holocaust with you at an appropriate thread rather than be accused of derailing.

I will say that it's possible that an individual(s) could have been pushed into a delousing/gas chamber from time to time but if millions were killed in homicidal gas chambers there should be at least one blue print, work order or structure.
Don't you think so?

Would you please at least comment on some of what I've already written and supported.

Finally, I don't know of any reason to be snarky and insulting except these anonymous forums allow our gaggle of keyboard cowards to reveal their ignorance.

Thanks,

 

well I was never there. I have a good friend who served in the Russian Naval Infantry-his grandfather served under General Petrenko of the USSR-Petrenko's men liberated Auschwitz and "Joe" swore his grandfather had seen gas chambers. Same with friends of my father who served with Patton's tank divisions-they saw them in other camps

I don't think either would lie.

 

We literally have blueprints for parts of the gas chambers, including doors that make no sense outside a homicidal gas chamber. And you still haven't actually provided any links that warrant a response. None of them show what they claim they do. We can go through them one at a time if you want, but none of them claim what you say they do.

 

There is no proof any Jew died in a gas chamber during the Second World War. You can find some discussions about this matter in this forum, for example this thread:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/evidence-for-the-holocaust.317262/

The OP asked for evidence and no convincing evidence was provided.

So the alleged genocide of Jews with gas chambers may be a big lie, a lie that nowadays has given Zionists a letter of marque to commit terrible atrocities against other people (the Palestine people and others), and if you denounce or criticize those actions then you are labeled as antisemitic.

 

Are you denying that eyewitness testimony counts as proof???

If so, half of history needs to be expunged from textbooks!

 

except people who saying these gassings happened BEFOE Israel existed.
I met people who had no reason to lie who claimed to have seen gas chambers. They weren't Jewish, they weren't zionists. They were Christian American tankers and in one case, a former Russian enlisted armorer in the Russian Naval Infantry whose grandfather was part of soviet infantry that liberated Auschwitz.

what is the goal of those who try to deny there were mass gassings of Jews at these death camps? Invariably they are anti semites or haters of Israel. Some are actual nazi apologists

 

people were testifying about gas chambers before Israel existed. People who had no reason to lie

 

Can you link to something?

Here's something about the doors.
https://www.historiography-project.com/misc/doors.php

Witness testimony is not conclusive proof as people can lie. When testimony conflicts with science, science wins.

Witnesses at Auschwitz
https://www.historiography-project....=Summary: Testimony should always be verified.

To see some science, click on the link at the bottom of post #19.

 

"THAT SOVIET ERA FAKE DOOR"

RE:

Who's "We"?
You "have" absolutely nothing except what what the fraudulent Holocaust Industry pours into your head.
You have no blueprints of anything or you would produce them.

Most people know that the Soviets made significant alterations to the captured German work camps and their desire to use these alterations for propaganda purposes to demonize the Germans is common knowledge.

Not only did the Soviet NKVD make German POWs build a fake homicidal gas chamber after the war (1) they built a fake chimney, knocked out walls, installed crude, fake vents and, yes, even installed the "Door of Death" you keep trotting out.


RE:

Go ahead.
"Make my day..." and show how: "NKVD Forced German POWs to Build Fake Gas Chambers AFTER the War !" is not about German POWs building a fake homicidal gas chamber built after WW 2.



(1). "NKVD Forced German POWs to Build Fake Gas Chambers AFTER the War !"
https://vk.com/@-181845420-nkvd-forced-german-pows-to-build-fake-gas-chambers-after-the

EXCERPT "As a young officer, Gerhart Schirmer was captured in 1945 by the Russians and held in Sachsenhausen which the Russians continued to use as a prison. Although the War and Nazism were over, Schirmer and a few fellow-prisoners were forced to construct a gas chamber and execution room, to show the world what the Nazis had done. He described his experiences in a booklet entitled 'Sachsenhausen - Workuta, Zehn Jahre in den Fängen der Sowjets' (Grabert Verlag, Tübingen, 1992).

When 'certain groups' drew the attention of the authorities to the booklet's contents, it was seized and banned in Germany. This is described by Schirmer below (my translation). I understand Schirmer was given the choice of a fine or prison and he chose the fine because, being over ninety, he did not relish spending his last few years behind bars, especially as he had already spent eleven years of his life in prison." CONTINUED

 

Yes, "we have "witnesses" like these:

"Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

- EXCERPT " An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. She was interned in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations with a Polish forced laborer. On the train journey to the camp, a Gypsy woman told her and the others that they would all be gassed at Auschwitz. Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then, instead of gas, water came out of the shower heads." CONTINUED (2)

- EXCERPT " A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard and saw nothing of gas chambers during the time she was interned there. She heard the gassing stories only later." CONTINUED

Or, you can believe these "witnesses":

Dozens & Dozens of the Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
http://wolfgangrudolf.blogspot.com/2016/12/dozens-dozens-of-most-outrageous-tales.html

EXCERPTS: • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

• William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

• Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

• Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

• Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

• Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED

 

I'm not saying that the men you mention were lying.
They were only deceived into believing that the delousing chambers were homicidal gas chambers.





EXCERPT "This photo was reproduced for years to spread the gas chamber swindle. We are supposed to believe that the Germans did their best to fool their victims through the installation of shower heads, while the entry door to the gas chamber was marked with gassing times! For this reason the photo was later retouched to get rid of the inscription" CONTINUED. (1)

It should be obvious that all sides used propaganda in order to demonize and demoralize the other side.
It is only the victors who write the history, it is also the victors who get to alter the crime scene

For example::

- “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”
https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder

EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe." CONTINUED



(1). "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
https://fullcontrol.se/holocaust-deprogramming-course.html