How many Jews died in the gas chambers?

Yep! Perfect argument for gullible, poorly educated. Who said “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged"?
We don't know, but we can guess - it was said by the same type of people who will claim that almost all films you've ever seen of Gaza, Rwanda or Sudan are staged.

 

what do you gain by trying to convince others that there were no gas chambers or gas vans?

 

According to this "logic" 9/11 never happened. Somewhere someone said sometimes about it that wasn't true, therefore it never happend. Please tell me you now realize this is a pathetic "argument "

 

And when can we get an actual argument supporting it? He claimed, repeatedly to have "scientific" evidence . . . and has yet to produce any after repeated requests.

The two normal responses I get to this question are mutually exclusive. They either say there couldn't have been any gas chambers at all, due to logistic issues, or they claim that they did exist (once they realize that we literally have the chemical evidence), but were only delousing chambers . . . which would require MORE logistic concerns. It requires far higher concentrations of Zyklon B to kill lice that it does to kill humans.

 

Here's some background info.

World War 2: The Bankers And The Jews Vs Hitler. What You Weren't Told About The War
https://rumble.com/v4zarc6-world-wa...what-you-werent-told-about-.html?e9s=rel_v1_b

 

1. Why can't you produce at least one blueprint, work order or photograph of a homicidal gas chamber; not a delousing gas chamber?

2. Why wasn't there any mention of gassing or homicidal gas chambers in any of the intercepted German radio transmissions?

3. Why didn't de Gaulle, Churchill or Eisenhower make any mention of homicidal gas chambers in any of their multi-thousand page books on WW 2?

All it takes to dupe you into believing that millions of Jews were gassed in German made homicidal gas chambers around Europe is a crude and flimsy door from a Soviet gulag renovation.

The Soviets, too, were so committed to demonizing the Germans that they made German POWs build a fake homicidal gas chamber AFTER the war to dupe gullible rubes but the new construction exposed this particular hoax.

A book about the exposed Holocaust hoax was banned because the Holocaust Industry abhors the truth.

"NKVD Forced German POWs to Build Fake Gas Chambers AFTER the War !"
https://vk.com/@-181845420-nkvd-forced-german-pows-to-build-fake-gas-chambers-after-the

EXCERPT "As a young officer, Gerhart Schirmer was captured in 1945 by the Russians and held in Sachsenhausen which the Russians continued to use as a prison. Although the War and Nazism were over, Schirmer and a few fellow-prisoners were forced to construct a gas chamber and execution room, to show the world what the Nazis had done. He described his experiences in a booklet entitled 'Sachsenhausen - Workuta, Zehn Jahre in den Fängen der Sowjets' (Grabert Verlag, Tübingen, 1992).

When 'certain groups' drew the attention of the authorities to the booklet's contents, it was seized and banned in Germany. This is described by Schirmer below (my translation). I understand Schirmer was given the choice of a fine or prison and he chose the fine because, being over ninety, he did not relish spending his last few years behind bars, especially as he had already spent eleven years of his life in prison." CONTINUED

 

We have the blueprints for the doors as well as for other aspects, plus the chemical evidence in the chambers themselves, not to mention witness testimony. Meanwhile, you have failed to provide the "scientific evidence" that they didn't exist. Not my problem anymore. You've failed.

 

Here's some more science.

The Mechanics of Gassing
https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v01/v01p-23_Faurisson.php


I found that here.
https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/index.php

 

I appreciate your very reasonable question.

I, personally, gain nothing but in addition to trying to stay on-topic, I feel that fabricating such a grotesque hoax unjustly slanders the German people and German WW 2 Veterans when no single participant of WW 2 was significantly more or less vicious than the other.

Hollywood along with the Holocaust Industry has programmed generations of intellectually stunted individuals who lack any critical thinking skills into believing any absurdity no matter how impossible.

Additionally, "Groupthink" and the Holocaust cultists interest me and to see so many people blindly believe that the Germans could be so stupid as to choose the most expensive, labor intensive and inefficient means of mass execution exemplifies that phenomenon.

Finally, trotting out such sensationalized and melodramatic fables trivializes the legitimate suffering and desensitizes people to the horrors of war.

Thanks,

 

"ONLY IN HOLO-LAND"

Only a Hollywood educated Holocaustian could fail to answer a single question, cite a single source, show a single photo or refute a single fact and then declare: "You've failed."

Run, Run Run Away....

 

I dont' see any difference-in terms of moral culpability between gassing people vs confining them in conditions that guaranteed starvation, infectious diseases etc killing millions

 

Denying or distorting the holocaust as well as using it as a platform to piss on Israel is not working.

Never does.

The evidence is there for all to learn from.

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn616441

https://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/

By the way I choose my emblem and name on this forum deliberately. In Hebrew we call it מַלְאַךְ הַמָּוֶת, pronounced in English as malakh ha-mavet.

The concept is simple. The origin of death is said to be motivated not by the actions of an anti-human supernatural being, but your individual sins.

Yah yah in your simplistic language you call us Jew ghosts.

 

How many Jews died in the gas chambers? Well, depending on who you ask, either too many, or not enough...

 

Woah and I thought I was a bigot. Dude just admit that the Holocaust happened. It does not mean white people are the epitome of evil. The propensity for human tragedy is engrained in all of us. Look at Rwandan genocide for instance which was against blacks.

If you want to strike a claim that the sterilized immaculate imagine of the allied forces being paragons of virtue is absurd than so be it. The axis was evil but *gasp* so were the allies. To deny the Holocaust is to deny facts and history. Eisenhower had all his troops take photos because he knew somewhere down the line people would deny what happened.

 

The revisionists don't deny that there were atrocities. They say there were exaggerations and there seem to have been a lot of them. We have to disentangle the real atrocities from the outright lies and exaggerations. This video is a good start.

Buchenwald: A dumb portrayal of evil
https://www.historiography-project.com/video/buchenwald/index.php


More stuff here...

https://www.historiography-project.com/video/index.php

 

Please stay on topic.

No one has or is claiming that the Holocaust never happened.

All you've clarified is that you, too, are unable to answer any of the questions or refute any of the supported facts I've posted.

Of course Eisenhower who hated the Germans and ran a real death camp after the war wanted lots of pictures of the camps after they had worked to make a grim scene even more grotesque.

For example, piles of bodies were enlarged by using the bodies of dead Germans and of course, there are photos of Hollywood and the Holocaust Industry at work:





My question remains, of the thousands of photos, why is there not one photo of a single homicidal gas chamber if "millions of Jews" were killed in them?


(1). “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”
https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder

EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe." CONTINUED

 

Its difficult to estimate. If you take roughly about 6 million Jews that were murdered in the Holocaust overall, there are imo also roughly estimations that 1,5 million Jews were murdered by the "Einsatzgruppen" behind the front by mass shootings, sometimes local fascists or goons were motivated to lynch them, etc., which would leave about 4,5 millions which were murdered in the cencentration camp system. A lot of them propably died due to starvation, hard labor, random executions, maltreatment, etc.
If there are estimations by historians how many of these 4,5 millions actually died in the gas chambers, how many died due to the circumstances, I dont know.

All of that is incredibly gruesome, I dont like to think about the details.

 

Oh oh oh, scrolling over the thread was enough to realize it was a mistake to take the OP serious and trying to give a serious answer. The users that discussed, the youtube videos posted which mainly concerned Gaza, give away enough, I wasnt able to read in between the lines and tried to take the OP seriously. It's obviously just another thread for Holocaust deniers and people who are apologetic of the Holocaust or even cheer for it.

 

Absolutely.

 

I want to be careful now not to respond directly to the holocaust deniers on this thread. What we see is this attempt to deny the holocaust in their responses:

1-deny it happened
2-claim it is used falsely to get financial benefits for Jews and in particular support a Zionist lie to have created Israel-this accusation is used in general application to any evidence suggesting it is part of a conspiracy (industry) to make money for Jews and Zionists
3-pretend there are no blue prints or evidence of gas chambers

All the above are repeated over and over on this and other forums. The game is simple-repeat a lie or lies enough times and people believe it.

So one has choices-ignore the deniers realizing they are trolling and seeking to incite propaganda that is hateful to Jews, holocaust survivors, thoughts who suffered or witnessed what the Nazis did or repudiate them.

We might repudiate but it is not for the deniers. They know exactly that the evidence they ask for has been provided many times and any of their arguments were repudiated repeatedly.

So in this last response to this pathetic drivel of a thread I provide this.

1.Rudolph Hoss the Commander of Aushwitz at Nuremberg testified as to the use of gas to mass exterminate. All his testimony was further evidenced by Nazi guards, Auschwitz survivors, the company that manufactured Zyclon B.

2. Another example of evidence came from the notes of the deceased:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42144186.

As one member pointed out in response. The above 2 sources came long before Israel was created and none of them served to benefit financially from their testimony and so render the industry conspiracy accusation a joke.

3. The technique of denying gas chambers were used to kill and only used to delice was repudiated with hard evidence and it all was presented at evidence and it can easily be found including the blue prints the holocaust deniers deny exists:

https://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibitions/through-the-lens/auschwitz-blueprints.asp

https://www.reuters.com/article/lif...uschwitz-camp-found-in-germany-idUSTRE4A71SC/

https://www.rom.on.ca/en/exhibitions-galleries/exhibitions/the-evidence-room-0

 

the question I always pose to those who are deniers or revisionists is this

Most of us who are 60 or older know someone (often many people) who fought in WWII. Those who had family members who fought in the European theater have had eyewitness accounts of what was found in the death camps. Those coming back from Germany had no reason to lie

 

Let us also seal this pathetic attempt to piss on Israel and insult Jews and holocaust fighters and survivors and make this crystal clear and please refer to it when these same people repeat this serial thread again and they will.

In fact the body of forensic evidence for the Holocaust including the concentration camps, gas, ovens, torture, medical experiments and crimes has all been documented and includes:

1-hundreds of thousands of documents, i.e., letters, memos, blueprints, orders, bills, speeches, Holocaust train schedules, statistical summaries generated by the SS-see "Documenting Numbers of Victims of the Holocaust and Nazi Persecution". Holocaust Encyclopedia. United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. Retrieved 4 June 2020; there are over 3,000 tons of such records that were provided at the Nuremberg trials- see Combating Holocaust Denial: Evidence of the Holocaust presented at Nuremberg". United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. Retrieved 4 June 2020.

2a-photographs- part of the above includes official photographs, clandestine photographs by survivors, aerial photographs, and film footage of the liberation of the camps, see-

Shermer & Grobman 2009, p. 33, Milton, Sybil (1999). "Photography as evidence of the Holocaust". History of Photography. 23 (4): 303–312. doi:10.1080/03087298.1999.10443338.
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2b-Anyone can find the US Engineering Corps films on the camps-as well as other films, records, at the US National Archives:

https://www.archives.gov/research/holocaust/concentration-camps

4-There is testimony from tens of thousands of eyewitnesses, including survivors such as Sonderkommandos, who directly witnessed the extermination process-see

1. 
   "From Trying the Perpetrator to Trying the Denier and Back Again". In Hennebel, Ludovic; Hochmann, Thomas (eds.). Genocide Denials and the Law. Oxford University Press. p. 60. ISBN 978-0-19-987639-6.

5- Physical or material evidence in the form of concentration and extermination camps, which still exist with various amounts of the original structure preserved- see

1. 
   "Einsatzgruppen: Mass Graves Exist". Holocaust Denial on Trial. Retrieved 4 June 2020.

6- thousands of mass graves containing the corpses of Holocaust victims, see

Desbois, Patrick (201. In Broad Daylight: The Secret Procedures behind the Holocaust by Bullets. Simon and Schuster. ISBN 978-1-62872-859-0 and

Wistrich, Robert (2003). Terms of Survival: The Jewish World Since 1945. Routledge. p. 52. ISBN 978-1-134-85579-7.


In fact all the circumstantial evidence of the holocaust can be found at this Nuremberg Trials site:

https://web.archive.org/web/2016030...tion+of+the+Jewish+Question..&color_setting=C

Or you can go here to the:

- Nizkor Project at:https://www.nizkor.org/
- US Holocaust Museum at https://www.ushmm.org/
-Yad Vashem Museum at: https://www.yadvashem.org/

The proof the deniers on this board pretend does not exist can also be found at:

Browning, Christopher. "Browning: Evidence for the Implementation of the Final Solution". Holocaust Denial on Trial.

Let us now be clear. Not one of the deniers on this post will repudiate a damn thing I provided that proves them to engage in denial, disinformation and defamation of the survivors and deceased of the holocaust including not just Jews but gentile victims, soldiers, civilians, clergy.

They know where to find me and its why I use the name I do on this forum. The one thing to be sure about a holocaust denier is they are petrified of Jewish ghosts haunting them and that is what all Jews are-a reminder they could not wipe us out.

Never again.

 

As Israel was compensated by West Germany for the survivors who they had to take care of, when it comes to financial scams, its doesn't make any sense whatsoever to exaggerate the number of victims who were muredered. Furthermore West Germany payed compensation for Jewish survivors outside Israel. The whole crap "Israel/The Jews exaggerated the number of victims" doesnt make any sense from scratch. Its quite the opposite, when Israel or the Jews had the intention to scam West Germany for more reparations, they would have been trying to forge lower numbers. Lower numbers more survivors more money.

Its a lie right from the start with the intention to spread hate pictures of Jews to people who are not familiar with the way, Israel and the Jews were compensated.

 

Since you live in Germany, you'd get locked up for writing anything other than the standard Holocaust narrative.
Isn't that the law in Germany?

In other words, if you wrote a letter to be published in a local magazine stating that about one million Jews died primarily due to disease like typhus,
wouldn't you be arrested or at least fined?

A German POW wrote about his experience building a fake homicidal gas chamber(1) for the Soviet propagandists; he was threatened with arrest and the books were banned because the International Holocaust Industry didn't like the idea of completely fake or significantly altered homicidal gas chamber stories being known.

Finally, I don't know of anyone who denies that the Holocaust happened so the term "Holocaust denier" is just a convenient and fraudulent misnomer and handy cudgel for those only capable of name calling.

Thanks,





(1) "NKVD Forced German POWs to Build Fake Gas Chambers AFTER the War !"
https://vk.com/@-181845420-nkvd-forced-german-pows-to-build-fake-gas-chambers-after-the


EXCERPT "As a young officer, Gerhart Schirmer was captured in 1945 by the Russians and held in Sachsenhausen which the Russians continued to use as a prison. Although the War and Nazism were over, Schirmer and a few fellow-prisoners were forced to construct a gas chamber and execution room, to show the world what the Nazis had done. He described his experiences in a booklet entitled 'Sachsenhausen - Workuta, Zehn Jahre in den Fängen der Sowjets' (Grabert Verlag, Tübingen, 1992).


When 'certain groups' drew the attention of the authorities to the booklet's contents, it was seized and banned in Germany. This is described by Schirmer below (my translation). I understand Schirmer was given the choice of a fine or prison and he chose the fine because, being over ninety, he did not relish spending his last few years behind bars, especially as he had already spent eleven years of his life in prison." CONTINUED

 

No. It's well established that not all of the Holocaust victims were gassed to death, as I wrote above. About 1,5 million alone were murdered outside the camp system, shot to death like at the Baby Yar massacre, massacred by collaborateurs and sometimes the Wehrmacht etc. The Holocaust started before the use of gas chambers, the first methods with gas were not gas chambers, but special trucks constructed for that purpose, afaik first time in use in the T4-program.

No doubt a lot of Jews within the camp died due to starvation, diseases, hard labor etc. as I wrote above. Whats punishable in Germany is publically denying or glorifying the Holocaust.