Humanism's Slippery Slope Of Moral Relativism:

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    I'm glad to hear that you are a humanist! Because most religions reject what you are saying here. Particularly any religion based on the Bible.
     
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    Can't disagree. It's reality. And rather than change their deviant behavior, they just reclassify it as benign, and accuse the virtuous of being bigoted and hateful for being offended by it. America used to be a moral society. And immorality was a shameful thing for all concerned. Now the immorality is shameless and vast. We are ripening in iniquity.
     
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    I will, at this point, just assume you have no answer to my question. The world has had confirmed bachelors and spinsters forever, yet here we still are.
     
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    There is no such thing as an answer to your question.
    Your ideological biases have locked you down on your position on the family.
    In your ideological world, society can get along just fine without the traditional nuclear family.
    And in your ideological world society can get along just fine without the God of the Bible
    and without Christianity, isn't that correct?
    I'm pretty sure it is, and if it is, then you and I are, de facto, two separate species.
    And that which separates us is hugely-enormously larger than that which "unites" us.

    JAG

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    You nailed it.

    JAG

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    Can you provide a date for when you believe that America was a moral society? I doubt it.
     
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    Wrong. It predates both Christianity and monotheism.
     
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    You do not hear anything.
     
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    So you've changed your mind about what you said previously. Sorry to hear that. But I can't imagine any Bible-believer actually holding to the anti-Biblical things you previously supported. Only a humanist could do that.
     
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    Welp, we're back to me being willing to discuss the Bible and you being unwilling to do so. For obvious reasons. But I invite you to rejoin we humanists in actually treating others appropriately the moment you are willing to abandon dogma and agree with us on that.
     
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    I believe the topic is marriage.
     
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    Correct.
    There's a religious marriage and/or a legal marriage.
     
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    You never discuss anything. You only make accusations.

    Now you appear to be preaching.
     
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    Morals are personal and subjective.
    Except for morality type laws.
     
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    I'll happily defend any sentence I've provided you if asked. You have not asked. You've offered only preaching and emojis.
     
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    @Green Man , you appear to be under the mistaken impression that you responded to something. Instead you've only quoted me once, with no response, and your previous response once, with no clarification.
     
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    You're right. As a Justice of the Peace for years in Connecticut I officiated several civil wedding ceremonies. Actually one such ceremony was performed for my neighbors across the street with whom we were great friends. A few months later we attended their religious ceremony in Puerto Rico that was put on for their families. They wanted to be legally married right now, but the families insisted on a Christian wedding as well at home on the island.
     
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    See, "love" and family is the main ingredient of true marriage. It takes a man and a women.

    Marriage is marriage. Like most progressives you redefine words to change the culture. Earlier you tried to chastise me for speaking of love. Now you differentiate between two types of marriage. Thanks for the admission. There is what you call "religious" marriage which entails the "love" I previously spoke of, then there is what you try to call "secular marriage" which is not marriage at all. Others call it same sex marriage, or no commitment marriage.....heck now you can even "marry" yourself. It would be better called "friends with benefits" or "mutual masterbation".
     
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    Most people dont care about freedom as much as they care about prosperity. Part of the reason for that is because the two tend to go hand in hand. The more prosperous one is, the more freedom one can excersize. With the occassional exception in some extreme cases such as North Korea, those with lots of resources can afford to buy permissions from the state for exemptions from all sorts of laws.

    ...for a while, anyway. As freedom reduces, so does prosperity for the vast bulk of individuals. Eventually people figure out that prosperity actually comes from freedom, not the other way around, but by then the wealth has already been monopolized by a handful of elite authoritarians. Thats when the purges, separatists, civil wars and guillotines come out.

    America was (and arguably still is) the greatest attempt to stabilize that cycle in the freedom range. Personally I think it was more successful than any of our founding fathers ever imagined it would be. I doubt even they thought it would last forever. It appears we're nearing the authoritarian, impoverishment and violently revolutionary period of the cycle back to freedom and prosperity. Hopefully the next transition will be quick and relatively peaceful (but I kinda doubt it). Also hopefully the next phase will start out a little better, like without slavery...
     
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    Marriage is between 2 people. It's a legal construct in the eyes of the law.
    What a religion defines is up to each and every religion to decide.

    Like most rightists, who believe each person can define their own words, that is absolute BS nonsense.
    Why would I chastise you or anyone for love. I think you made that up.

    I don't differentiate. There's really only 1 marriage. The legal marriage.
    There are others, like each religions marriage. So actually, there's thousand of those. But they mean nothing to anyone but those members of said church.
     
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    Awful bloody long slow “ slippery slope” if it took 60 years. But the truth is this was always part of society it is just that prior to the 1960s two women living together were referred to asx”old maids”
     

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