I am proof that Covid is real

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  1. Navy Corpsman

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    We know for a fact that the "ARTIFICIAL EVENT" known as the Covid pandemic clown-show was a fear-driven orchestration, and that no aspect of the so-called treatment protocols was ever effective or made any sense.

    For example the mass indoctrination of wearing those "submission and compliance" masks that gave the gullible populace the effective illusion that a Super-Duper killer viron was on the loose.

    The NAZI style economic killing lock downs which did more harm than good, as designed.

    And of course the human rights violations for many who were coerced by the mandated involuntary vaccinations with a substance untested and put into use under false pretenses with an emergency use authorization that required that there were no known treatments or cures for the covid farce except for the tainted miracle jabs.

    What we now know for a FACT is that influenza was being substituted as the new viron and that hardly anyone died from the FAKED the scripted covid farce except for those people with existing morbidities who were denied treatment.

    Remember the covid protocols.[sic]

    If you got sick from anything, you were supposed to stay at home, and if you worsened and developed breathing problems you were supposed to go to the hospital where they killed you with remdesivir and ventilators.

    Hospitals were incentivized to maximize the FAKED covid deaths as they were paid some $39,000 for each trumped up covid death. Consequently, nearly all deaths were soon reported as covid deaths, even from motor vehicles to include motorcycle accidents, etc... thus maximizing the reported covid death rate and driving people to vaccination.

    Oh. and that brings me to the bogus PCR tests which were used to diagnose the FAKED covid viron.

    The test’s inventor explicitly said that such tests are incapable of diagnosing such contrived Hollywood Sci-Fi illnesses, such as covid.

    Those PCR test produced up to 97% false positives, as even the FDA/CDC very own documents states, thus the PCR tests only purpose was for immensely exaggerating the orchestrated pandemic, that clearly wasn't.
     
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    Seat belts work fine most of the time. I was in an accident on January 5, 1973 where a dump truck hit my car head on after skidding on ice. Even though the car was totaled, I walked away. The seat belts--a lap belt and a shoulder belt--saved me from serious injury and likely death.

    Maybe the covid shots protect people, too. There is a risk associated with the vaccines, but let people make an informed choice without all the anti-vaxxer BS.
     
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    Maybe should learn more about instead of feeling stupid.
     
  4. UntilNextTime

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    Yet to be determined.
     
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    Read...
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  6. UntilNextTime

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    Gov't database reveals 10,000% increase in cancer reports due to COVID vaccines

     
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    The best evidence is that the claim is true. It may lessen your symptoms but it prevents nothing. Even people that took the vaccine died from COVID. It’s big pharma BS.
     
  9. Death

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    You stated "lessen your symptoms but it prevents nothing",

    Your comment makes no sense. The reason vaccines lessen symptoms is because they prevent the virus from being able to otherwise cause worse symptoms. More importantly lessening symptoms means shortening the period one has Covid 19 that reduces the risk they pass it on to others who can not take the Covid 19 vaccine and so could die from it.

    You also stated: "even people that took the vaccine died from it:.

    You made the above statement to suggest if one person dies of Covid 19 but took the vaccine one can conclude from that the vaccine is pointless. That makes no sense.

    First off there are many strains of Covid 19. Someone may have taken a vaccine but not the one matching the strain of Covid 19 and so its not the vaccine that did not work, it is that the vaccine was not created to provide resistance to the particular strain. Using your logic no one should take a flu vaccine because it only covers certain strains not others. It still has effect in reducing the strain of flu it was designed for.

    Secondly, no one said people who take the vaccine are 100% guaranteed they will not die. You have been told repeatedly and you choose to ignore it deliberately that no vaccine is a 100% guarantee you do not die.

    Thirdly and clearly its another fact you deliberately ignore, when someone dies who has taken the Covid 19 vaccine and then dies it does not necessarily mean they died of Covid 19. The statistics at this point in time take anyone who has died and took the Covid 19 vaccine and puts them in the category you quote. However it does not mean the person who died, died of Covid 19. They could have died of many other illnesses and pre-existing medical conditions.

    You have no statistics of people who solely died of Covid 19 and nothing else after taking the vaccine or you would have produced them. They don't exist that is why. The reason deaths of people who have taken the Covid 19 vaccine are all recorded whether they died from Covid 19 or not is to enable the researchers to track down all the unrelated deaths to double check the actual cause of death and err on the side of caution precisely because people like you issue false information.

    Next the "big pharma" conspiracy you keep referring to is nonsensical as well. I would contend it reflects your personal distrust of anyone or any institution you feel you do not understand or you think tells you what you must do.

    Your big pharma conspiracy is nonsensical for many reasons: i-no big pharma has ever forced you to take a vaccine; ii-no government body has ever forced you to take a vaccine; iii-your conspiracy would include not only all pharmaceutical companies, but millions of doctors, scientists, government officials world wide all working as part of the conspiracy to make profit. No doctor is paid by any pharmaceutical company to give Covid 19 vaccines. No civil servant is making money at a clinic that does not charge you, give you a vaccine. You create this conspiracy where hundreds of millions of people world wide who are part of the medical and scientific communities all can keep a secret and yet you found it out because without any proof of such a conspiracy you throw it out?

    Here is the bottom line-You do not give a flying phack about spreading Covid 19 to others otherwise you would take the vaccine. You would at least think, hey if you have a contagious illness that could be spread to vulnerable people who can't take the vaccine and they catch the virus from you they might die.

    Next you do not give a playing phack about paramedics, firefighters, police, nurses, physicians, hospital workers, senior care workers, health providers, teachers, taxi drivers, bus drivers, people who come into contact daily with others such as retail store employees. You don't care this is about not spreading illness to them as well.

    Next the vaccines have proven and we have the statistics to show which you ignore, that they did indeed cut down on the time period people had Covid 19 meaning they were less likely to spread it. It indeed lessened the symptoms for some who would have died without that vaccine.

    My niece had meningitis from Covid 19 and had she not taken the vaccine she would have died leaving two young children. My daughter had a stroke from Covid 19 and had she not taken the vaccine would be dead. The lessening of the symptoms you laugh off saved their lives.

    You live in a world of denial. The majority of us have moved on. We take or have taken the vaccine and live our lives as best we can balancing our needs with those of others.

    More viruses will come and more vaccines will be created and there will always be people like you who do not understand science or medicine buying into conspiracy theories because of your fear you do not control the needle coming at your arm.

    You live with that fear and hide from the needle. That is your choice. That is your right. Try deliberately spread your illness to others, that becomes a criminal matter. That is how life works. Your actions have consequences. You want to kill yourself, go ahead. Knowingly endanger someone else's life, there are criminal consequences. So its simple, stay at home or when in public given you don't believe Covid 19 is a problem touch door handles, have people sneeze on you, don't wash your hands, knock yourself out. Try touch someone without their consent, sneeze on them, get too close to them physically, its a problem.

    Have a nice day.
     
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    Anti vaxers still to continue to spread these two inter-connected false statements: 1-people die because of taking the vaccine; 2-they died from Covid 19 even though they took the vaccine.

    Both are false and have been debunked and there are numerous sites anyone can find to show how false such statements are such as:

    https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering...-deaths-among-vaccinated-show-boosters-matter

    https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-cdc-covid-vaccine-deaths-910677348223

    https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/10/04/how-many-people-have-died-as-a-result-of-a-covid-19-vaccine/

    https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/

    https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccine-idUSL2N2O01W8

    In fact the phenomena Joe and other anti vaxers misrepresent is called vaccine break though cases, i.e., cases where someone who took the vaccine still gets Covid 19:

    https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/stats/vbt.html

    In the autopsies taken of people who took vaccines for Covid 19 and died, in the vast majority of cases teh death was from an underlying condition that would have killed the person whether they obtained the vaccine or not such as heart disease, cancer, diabetes. Certainly the statistics show people with pre-existing chronic illnesses such as heart disease, cancer, diabetes, lupus are NOT given the Covid 19 vaccine to err on the side of caution but the problem is if you do not give such people vaccines, because they have compromised immunity systems, the Covid 19 most often leads to other complications suich as pneumonia, meningitis, bacterial or fungus infections that then lead to death,

    So this is why it is crucial for the sake of those who have compromised immunity systems we all take vaccines so we do not unintentionally spread a virus to them, they can not take the vaccine for and could die from. No your family doctor, pharmacist, immunologists, pathologists, ear, nose and throat doctors, internal medicine specialists, oncologists, dentists, public health clinics, firefighters, paramedics, health care providers,emergency physicians, nurses are not liars. Talk to them, ask them questions.

    The way to deal with health issues is to not be afraid of them but to learn about them with an open mind.

    No they are not liars and neither are the information they can provide you.
     
  11. UntilNextTime

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    It's amazing that those who think the covid pseudoscience injections "protect, prevent, lower the effects of" any illness.
     
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    If I may make a suggestion. If you are really interested in changing people's minds, don't use an anti-vaxxer site that has a link to an article titled, "The Brain Myth: Your Intellect and Thoughts Originate in Your Heart, Not Your Brain", as this destroys any credibility you may have.
     
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    Sure you can. But will it be accepted?
     
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    I actually could not find the link you refer to in the article. You may need to educate yourself on what the heart is other than just a blood pump for the human body.
    Mysteries of the Human Heart
     
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    Who actually says that COVID is not real?
     
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    If COVID-19 Does Not Exist How Are People Testing Positive For It?

    People would have been diagnosed by their GP with covid, when in fact it was something else, such as pneumonia or bronchitis, etc.
     
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    Causation vs. correlation. So far, I haven't seen anything suggesting the former.
     
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    She was just fine until she took it and then she wasn't.
     
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    With due respect it does not destroy my credibility. My credibility is based on whether the content of what I present can be substantiated with objectively corroborated evidence and logical argumentation.

    The content of what I or anyone else presents establishes its credibility not whether people agree with what I express. Many credible statements are rejected by popular opinion. You mistake popularity with credibility.

    I am not here to be popular and it really does not matter if someone agrees with me or not. I say what I say no different than others. We all express our views. This is what discussion boards are for.

    Joe will never agree with a thing I say and I have no desire to brain wash him or change his mind. I do feel it necessary to challenge things he says just like he feels he needs to say the things he says. I challenge what Joe says as making no sense, but in his mind me clearly feels it makes sense. I disagree with him but I am not here to change his mind. If he were to change his mind it wouldn't come from my words, but his own thoughts and cognitive process.

    I like to debate people. Period. Thank you.
     
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    I think it’s a little disingenuous to leave out most of the conclusions of this ‘narrative review’. You have failed in correcting information here by leaving information out.

    The authors went on to say that even though protection appears to wane faster with vaccination related to symptoms, the vaccines still protect against severe, critical, or fatal disease for a longer period.

    They go on to state that boosters recover protection levels and hybrid immunity may provide more robust protection that either vaccination or primary infection.

    They also state that initial antibody levels that are provided by an infection are heavily dependent on the severity of the initial infection. Therefore, if you have a mild or asymptomatic case of covid, the initial infection may not provide robust protection from further repeated infections.

    They also state that antibodies from both vaccines or prior infections seem to lose neutralising activity against new variants more rapidly. T-cells and B-cells provide more robust protection against severe, critical, and fatal infection/reinfection.

    In general, there really isn’t a lot of discussion related to T-cells when people discuss immunity but it’s T-cells that keep people from getting very ill and staying out of hospital. There is data and studies that T-cells are still very robust despite waning antibody titres — so it’s not just about antibodies levels declining more rapidly related to vaccines vs infection. In fact, recent research (March 2023) suggests that the mRNA vaccine is much better than natural infection “at revving up key immune cells called killer T cells to fight future infection”.

    https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2023/03/vaccine-covid-infection.html#:~:text=The Pfizer/BioNTech mRNA vaccine,Stanford Medicine investigators have found.

    There are some that believe that vaccines are useless and partially quote articles to support their belief. However, It’s obviously not an either or situation. Limitations exist with gaining immunity either way. There is more than just antibodies to consider. Vaccinations do protect against the most serious risks. The best protection against severe outcomes is thought to be hybrid immunity.
     
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    Only one piece of the whole puzzle.
    How about the fact that the PCR test is not specific in what it identifies and that the normal cycle rate of testing is circa 25 cycles when most countries were using anywhere between 30 to 45 cycles in their analysis?
    Or the fact that the PCR test had to use synthetic nucleic acid technology to create a synthetic COVID-19 for the tests, because nobody had isolated the actual virus everyone bangs on about, so how can the test be accurate?
    Also, W.H.O. admitted the PCR tests provided too many false positives.
    Also, the fact that in 2019, 4200 people in Aus died from the flu. Yet 1100 died the following year from covid. Why did we lock down and test everyone for the flu, as it had a greater impact than covid?
    Is science/medicine fields where they are critiqued by their peers and open for debate, then why were so many shut down and silenced for speaking out?
    The creators of the pseudoscience junk have zero liability. Did you consider that before you got jabbed, blind faith huh?
    The fact that doctors and hospitals were incentivised to fudge the numbers, so someone with a GSW would be written up as death by covid.
    That politicians and bureaucrats were shoveling crap on a daily basis to get everyone injected, why wasn't that done for the flu? Bullshit, that's why.

    What did you base your medical decision on, false and bullshit narratives? auiqs.jpg.gif
     
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    No, I didn’t leave anything out. I quoted the main consensus of review. This is the claim I responded to.



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    hat statement is patently false. The conclusions of the cited review clearly show it to be false.

    There are also meta analysis out that also show that statement to be false. Here is one with a pull quote from the discussion section.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)02465-5/fulltext



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    You should quote that from the paper. It’s unlikely I could have missed that but possible. :). I believe you are mistaken. Happy to be proven wrong.


    Yes, a booster every six months will boost neutralizing antibodies for a short period of time. But they must be repeated over and over. Thus, not very long lasting, right?


    That’s one theory. But not proven out in studies like the meta analysis I’ve provided above. Most likely because of greater antibody affinity maturation after natural infection. Also because protection from severe disease is provided by cellular immune components and many convalescents without detectable antibodies have robust cellular response to the infection.

    Of course. I spent a lot of time during the pandemic trying to educate folks on cellular components of immunity. Unfortunately the media etc. only wanted to talk about antibodies. It was a disservice. The difficulty of studying T cells especially is part of the problem.

    That’s interesting but it doesn’t seem to have an effect on actual infection rates, severe disease, etc. If the observed differences from that study were meaningful, we would not see similar or better protection from natural immunity or from hybrid immunity.

    Yes, some believe vaccines are useless. I’m not one of them. I started advising folks how to prepare to get the most out of Covid vaccines in April of 2020, months before vaccines would become available.

    I also predicted that many would reject vaccination based on dishonesty in marketing the vaccines. I was proven correct. I’m someone who researches, chooses, and administers thousands of doses of vaccines annually. My livelihood in some ways depends on vaccines. However, I believe in being honest about what vaccines can and can’t do. And I’m a huge proponent of non vaccine preventative health measures as well, many of which when implemented increase the efficacy of vaccines like the Covid vaccines as well.

    Yes, hybrid immunity is superior it looks like to one Covid infection anyway and to vaccination alone. As far as I know there have been no studies on what level of protection is derived from multiple infections. I haven’t kept up with the literature the last few months though like I did through the pandemic.

    You seem to know more about immunology than the average bear. Pleasure to talk to you about it.
     
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    Yet another absurd claim.
    I'm still here.
     
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    Correlation.
     
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