I beleive the Tea Party is strongly tied to racism.

Nothing like going to a rally to dishonestly make it look like the rally is racist. Left wing loon to be sure.

 

you realize that there's more linking planned parenthood to racial cleansing than there is linking the tea party to racism?

Which isn't much.

 

How about the historical oppression of WASP's of all minorities throughout the history of the United States? Historical slavery and the ongoing oppression of African-Americans that that the KKK initiated when the 13th Amendment was passed? How about institutionalized segregation under the law that lasted until the 1960's? The continuing discrimination in employment denying equality of economic opportunity for African-Americans in America. The exploitation of non-WASP immigrants including the Chinese in the past and Hispanics today. The murder and theft of the lands of the Native-Americans were the policy was often "the only good Indian is a dead Indian" and the treaties with the Native-American tribes were routinely violated. Even today under the BIA the US government continues to oppress the Native-American tribes often stealing the resources of the tribal lands.

The United States became an industrial giant and world power based upon the WASP oppression of minorities since it's founding. How about that as something we should consider.

People wonder why we have problems related to our African-American communities while managing to forget it is a simple matter of cause and effect. The cause is documented by hundreds of years of oppression that continues today and the negative effect is the socially unacceptable behavior by those that have never been afforded equality in the United States.

 

Apparently things aren't looking too good for the racist aide to Rand Paul who wants to run for president. Good luck with the minority vote while hiding your white sheet in the closet next to one of your top aides Rand; http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/07/22/rand...eo-confederate-ties-despite-senators-support/

 

It's always interesting to read uninformed opinions that attempt to make an unrelated comparison between two different political issues.

Let's address a couple of facts. In 2010 the Tea Party Nation was arguably the most influential Tea Party organization because it held the National Tea Party Convention where Sarah Palin was the keynote speaker.

The Tea Party Nation has been identified as a Hate Group under the category of "other" because it encompasses numerous forms of "hate" including racism in the policies and the statements of it founder Judson Phillips that is unquestionably a racist with his beliefs founded when African-Americans were still slaves. He advocates voter disenfranchisement of Africa-American, for example, based upon unconstitutional voting requirements that were abandoned in the 1820's.

We can note that the Tea Party Patriots rejected Judson Philips organization in 2010, which is to their credit. but as also noted the Tea Party Patriots still advocate tax policies that adversely and disproportionally affect African-Americans today. The Tea Party Patriots, by endorsing anti-black tax policies, are de facto racists while Judson Phillips and the Tea Party Nation are overt racists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_Nation

 

So, again, there's a very loose 'individual' connection. Such a connection is as meaningless as finding that a 1960s civil rights leader was an anti-Semite: it does not make the civil rights movement anti-Semitic.

 

It's funny how you don't even have to leave "Political Forum"'s website....

to show how the Right (also Tea Party, conservative, Republican) is rife with racism.

 

The most influential Tea Party organization in 2010 being identified as a racist hate group is a "loose" connection? Seriously? The Tea Party Nation remains influential today and it's leader is an overt racist. We're talking about a "Brither" and the whole "Birther" movement was founded upon racism that inadvertently sucked ignorant conservatives into the mix. Try going to the Tea Party Nation website because more than enough evidence is there to support the hate group status of the Tea Party Nation which remains one of the foremost Tea Party organizations today.

http://www.teapartynation.com/

This isn't a "loose connection" but instead a very well documented connection between the Tea Party movement and racism. It is the "worst" connection and I won't deny that but it is a very real and indisputable connection.

 

I can only speak from personal experience here. I've belonged to the Tea Party of Morris County, New Jersey, for about three years. In that time, I've never seen, heard, or read anything from the group or its members with a hint of racism. Black candidates have addressed the group several times, and been warmly welcomed.

It is true that I see no black members, but this is not by design. Perhaps it's because of the national campaign by Democrats, including the news media, to persuade the public that the Tea Party is racist. Reporters will sift through a crowd of thousands to find the few who sound crazy or stupid or bigoted and film them for the evening news. They could find the same sort of people at gatherings of Democrats, but they're not looking for them.

A couple of years ago, members of the Morris County Tea Party were thrilled when a reporter and photographer from the Newark Star-Ledger, New Jersey's major newspaper, attended a meeting. They interviewed many members, and we all waited to read the story. Nothing. No story ever appeared. All the interviewees were intelligent, well spoken, and bias free. That didn't fit the Democratic template of the Star-Ledger, so no story was possible. I'd guess similar selective reporting is found across the country.

There's an easy way to settle this: attend a meeting of the Tea Party nearest to you. See and hear for yourself instead of repeating what you've been told by other liberals. I've often put this challenge to liberals assuring me they "knew" the Tea Party was racist, and their reply was always something like "I don't need to do that to know who these people are! I watch (liberal) TV! I read the (liberal) papers! I talk to (liberal) people!" In other words, "I think what I'm told; I have no need to know." Now I make the same challenge. Go to a Tea Party meeting, then come back and tell us if it was racist. To repeat, I'm sure that if you look hard you can find a racist individual in the Tea Party, but I'm equally sure that doesn't reflect the organization, and that the same might be found among Democrats or any left group.

We should also remember that there is no actual Tea Party. Rather there's a loose confederation of hundreds of independent groups, all of whom show their commitment to similar principles by using the "Tea Party" name. There is no national organization, no coordination, no central policy-making body. So talking about the Tea Party as if it were a true party like Democrats or Republicans is already a distortion.

Here is the Mission Statement of the Morris County Tea Party, quoted from its web site (http://www.morriscountyteaparty.org/Home_Page.php)

"We the Morris County Tea Party, a public citizens' group, are dedicated to supporting the US Constitution and public policy that adheres to the principles of personal responsibility, individual liberty, limited government and free markets.

Insofar as all Americans must live within their financial means, so must our government. Furthermore, through our outreach and rallies, we will show people they are not alone in their frustrations about the bad policies coming from Washington and Trenton.

Our goal is a united voice. We the people call for real, honest and ethical government for the good of our children, our families, our community and our country. Liberty and Freedom for all."

Horrible, no?

I await what liberals here have to say after attending their first Tea Party meeting.

 

No, it's a documented connection between an individual in the tea party movement and racism. There is no connection between the movement itself and racism. It's ideas, goals, etc. are not racist. I've never heard of phillips and from what little looking i've done, this really seems to just be hyped up moaning.

This is stupid and shallow, and you know it. If you want to claim that the tea party is racist, or that it is 'strongly tied to racism' and all you've got is, "well, this one guy is a racist..." or, "well, this one group says it's racist," you have nothing. Oh, and it was "identified" as a racist hate group by splc, which is hardly an unbiased group.

 

I have never seen any racism either. That is just a democrat narrative and pretty much the same narrative for anyone that is not for State control.

 

Nice post in presenting the facts here, but this forum is inundated with leftists who cannot seem to handle the truth. I also go to many different Tea Party meeting at many different venues and I have yet to see anyone who has anything resembling a racist attitude or racist agenda (whatever that may be). Great post!

 

show me where i called you a racist

they don't have to make anyone that's racist, look racist

 

Sure, that's why they have to lie so it looks racist so people like you can be duped. Looks like it worked.

 

i don't have to go online to see photos of racist

i live in mississippi, the tea party here is overtly racist

they don't try to hide it, they're very proud of it

 

It means we want to return to a government limited by a written Constitution.

 

That is usually the simplistic and reactionary view of the left. You want A so they say you want B instead. It is a tactic to deflect from the truth.

 

I’ll reword it:

“Teacher calls the kid an idiot and then teacher teaches in self-esteem classes that calling someone an idiot makes them an idiot:

Call [someone] a racist too many times and [they’ll] simply do [the offender a] favor and oblige.”

Better? I thought the first sentence would identify the second as part of the argument.

I don’t have any reason to believe either of my Tea Party representatives have been racists, but that is only because if they got their way their policies would harm whites too.

Oh, and every single one of the gray heads on the zoning board that voted against me were decades earlier Southern Democrats in old courthouse records, I checked because when they forbid me to build a fence higher the four feet between me and a Democrat owned property that was violating the zoning ordinances, and only the black Democrat and blond Republican voted in my favor, my mother told me who the old farts were. So the Republican Party is tied to racism because it contains old Democrats.

 

Once again it really needs to be pointed out that there is overt racism and de facto racism.

Most "racism" associated with the Tea Party Movement is "de facto" racism because their tax policies adversely effect low income minorities while favoring high income white investors. Tea Party tax policies typically attack social safety nets that are vital to mitigate the effects of poverty that is often a direct result of denial of economic equality of opportunity (i.e. job discrimination) for minorities.

Sometimes an example is in order so let's take a general stance by the Tea Party where they want to cut Social Security payments in the future. Yes, we know that Social Security has never generated one dime of national debt but it's projected to "go into the red" in the future (about 20 years from now) but Social Security is already a crappy program only averaging about $15,000/yr in retirement benefits. Overwhelmingly those receiving less than $15,000/yr, some as little as $7,000/yr, are African-Americans that obviously worked and weren't "welfare mom" (a racist slur generally referring to an African-American women collecting welfare assistance even if they're working). Cutting Social Security benefits doesn't adversely affect the vast majority of middle-class whites in America but it is devastating for low-income minority workers when they reach retirement.

Cutting Social Security benefits predominately affects low income minorities at retirement and creates "de facto" racism because of the results of the cuts being made. It's not a "direct" link to racism which would be overt racism but it is instead de facto racism because it has an indirect adverse effect overwhelmingly against minorities.

In short the Tea Party isn't saying "cut Social Security for African-Americans" but instead because of their tax agenda that is the fundamental result. When the Tea Party says "cut welfare" they're not saying cut assistance to African-Americans that they need for food and shelter because of employment discrimination but that is the effect of their proposal. It is indirect linkage but the cause and effect cannot be ignored.

Perhaps what needs to be pointed out is when we advocate something it creates a "cause" so we must address the "effect" that will result. This is something that the Tea Party Movement tends to ignore. They advocate cutting welfare which does reduce spending but what is the result of that reduction in spending. They miss the second part and the second part predominately creates a adverse effect for minorities and, as noted, that establishes "de facto" racism in their agenda.

 

The Left sees racism in the Tea party the same way a carpenter who only has a hammer sees nothing but nails.

The Tea Party is all about fiscal policy. SS/Medicare/Medicaid eat up more than half the federal outlay and every dime of its revenue. The US simply has to do something about the fact that it - like the feckless Europeans - is allowing its government to morph into nothing more than an annuity and health care insurance administrator.

Besides, why should the Tea Party care about claims of racism? Black voters vote "19,000 to nothing" for Democrats. How does it get any worse than that?

 

none of that excuses tea party racism

 

I would say that is why the Foxy Blond Legs Channel is wet between the legs over the Monarchy having a baby, or Aristocracy, as far as Aristocracy or nobility can be called racist; the Prince is related to racism in principle that one is superior to others by birth but it is not de facto racism. The spawn pops out white and may inherit a billion dollars and they are racists, but if the little rug rat had popped out black we could claim the British monarchy was not racist; the former is only evidence in favor of Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine’s arguments for progressive taxes and against primogeniture, the latter would only be proof that the woman was screwing blacks.

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"What pillar of security does the landed interest require more than any other interest in the state, or what right has it to a distinct and separate representation from the general interest of a nation? The only use to be made of this power (and which it always has made), is to ward off taxes from itself, and throw the burthen upon those articles of consumption by which itself would be least affected...

...Men of small or moderate estates are more injured by the taxes being thrown on articles of consumption, than they are eased by warding it from landed property, for the following reasons:

First, They consume more of the productive taxable articles, in proportion to their property, than those of large estates.

Secondly, Their residence is chiefly in towns, and their property in houses; and the increase of the poor-rates, occasioned by taxes on consumption, is in much greater proportion than the land-tax has been favoured. In Birmingham, the poor-rates are not less than seven shillings in the pound. From this, as is already observed, the aristocracy are in a great measure exempt." (Rights of Man, by Thomas Paine 1792) http://www.constitution.org/tp/rightsman2.htm

"But the chief object of this progressive tax (besides the justice of rendering taxes more equal than they are) is, as already stated, to extirpate the overgrown influence arising from the unnatural law of primogeniture, and which is one of the principal sources of corruption at elections." (ibid)

"Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise." (Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 28 Oct. 1785) http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch15s32.html

It appears they favor the return of the aristocracy for a return of urchins playing in a wooden elephant the square of a Dickens novel, that eventually will bring about an Obamanation using La Guillotine.

 

There is no excuse for actual racism and bigotry no matter what group [or individual] is targeted for analysis. Anti-white, anti-Hispanic, anti-Asian, anti-female, anti-male, anti-Muslim, anti-Evangelical, anti-Catholic, anti-Jew, anti-[fill in here] are all in the same despicable boat. And the bigotry very obviously [to anyone with half a brain] extends to both sides of the political spectrum.

 

Am I arguing in favor of the Tea Party or against?

 

Social Security/Medicare are funded with dedicated FICA/Payroll taxation that accumulated about $3.5 trillion in excess revenues since 1985 and has never contributed to a single dime of deficit spending since it's inception. Even though it does not have projected revenues to sustain itself indefinitely it still has close the $3 trillion in reserves and is not a current financial problem for the US government.

Here's my summary of the problem from the Tea Party perspective. They look at SS/Medicare and say, "Damn, we're going to have to repay all of the borrowing we took from the SS Trust Fund to waste on general expenditures since 1985 where trillions of dollars were funneled into the military-industrial complex to spread Pax-Americana around the world." In short the US government has written a check that the Tea Party doesn't want it to cover with the general taxation that's required to redeem the check. Instead of honoring the contractual obligation of the US government with the People to honor its obligations based upon the FICA/Payroll taxes it collected from them the Tea Party is saying, "Screw the people that paid these taxes that will really need these benefits when they retire."

That is not to say we don't have a problem with Social Security/Medicare but the problem isn't that they payout too much. The problem is that they don't pay out enough because they're "welfare" programs that didn't address the problem identified when they were created. The problem identified was that about 1/2 of Americans in the 1930's hadn't invested enough to have the personal wealth to provide an income when they were too old to work. The problem re-emerged in the 1960's when (the same) 1/2 of Americans hadn't invested enough to have the personal wealth to pay for private health insurance when they were too old to work.

The problem is that Social Security and Medicare don't provide enough in benefits as opposed to them providing excess benefits. It is the nature of the welfare program that is the problem.

Can this be fixed? Absolutely but it will take an entire "working career" of about 45 years of investing by individuals to accumulate enough personal wealth to go from a welfare program to an asset accumulation program. The benefits is that the individual will have far more income when they retire so that they can afford to live better and can afford private health insurance when they're too old to work. The problem is that to accomplish this will require about $40 trillion in new taxation to fund the transition.

The Tea Party opposes the "privatization" of Social Security because it creates a requirement for about $40 trillion to make the transition over a 45 year timespan. The want to "get rid of it" but they don't want to pay the costs associated with getting rid of it.

So today we're stuck with a problem for the long term funding of Social Security/Medicare but the problem isn't that these programs have a spending problem but instead they have a funding problem because as a "welfare" program they don't provide enough in benefits. Having 1/2 of all Americans receiving Social Security retirement benefits of between $7K/yr and $15K/yr where they never made enough money during their working career to invest to build private assets is the most ridicules proposition there is but this is what the Tea Party seems to support. These people lived in poverty their entire lives and the Tea Party wants them to live in worse poverty when they're too old to work. Of course, also cut off their food and housing assistance when they're in poverty because they only receive about 60 cents on the dollar when compared to "white" Americans.

Let us remember a simple overall fact. If the Tea Party was serious about establishing fiscal responsibility by the US government then the first thing it would promote is paying for the authorized expenditures required to balance the budget. Then, once the budget is balance we can reduce expenditures to reduce the tax burden. Simply cutting taxes, which is the primary goal of the Tea Party, merely increases the national debt which increases the expenditures of the federal government. We don't stop paying our mortgage because the cost is too high. We pay the mortgage and then see how we can reduce the monthly payment perhaps by re-negotiating the loan to a lower interest rate. The Tea Party doesn't want to pay the mortgage.