I don't get Israel's plan so far...

True. They are pawns for the Jew haters.

 

Let's start with the claim that Israel struck the convoy from Fri last. Hamas says Israel did the bombing, and Israel says they weren't involved.

Why are you so quick to believe the side that stormed the gate and perpetrated a murderous spree?

"Israel reportedly blows up convoys"...reported by the vermin that stormed the gates, you realize?

 

That is a disgusting point of view.

 

Hamas is nowhere near on the level of the third reich. Hamas is nowhere near capable of initiating another attack of the type they did on October 7th now. A long slow solution that does not kill civilians is the way to go.

 

Policemen are also not supposed to mow down crowds of bystanders when they are apprehending criminals.

 

by forbidding air strikes in the city. Fight on the ground only, with maybe pinpoint strikes when boots on the ground have assessed that there are no civilians present. If they are using civilians as shield, then they are going to have to take down the place the slow way, clearing room by room rather than leveling the place. It will be much slower, but the civilian death rate will be much lower.
If an airstrike is absolutely needed, clear the entire area, using soldiers to VERIFY there are no civilians present, and then hit the place.

6,000 bombs in a week on such a tiny piece of land is absolutely unacceptable. There is no way to minimize civilian casualties with that kind of operational tempo.
As areas are cleared of Hamas, start rebuilding and treat and resupply the civilians. It should be a slow deliberate advance through the city, block by block, with few to zero air strikes.

 

None of that will work. Especially the, "clear the entire area, using soldiers to VERIFY there are no civilians present, and then hit the place.", part. That's just nuts on many levels...lol


Sounds like you're proposing a strategy that will mean more Israeli casualties. Wonder why that is?
I still hold to the WW2 Doctrine. You all seem to not have a problem with that.

 

Ground invasion, follow Hamas into their holes and tunnels, and kill them.

 

BS, you can limit strikes to small sectors of the city at a time, making it FAR easier to move civilians out of the area that is being struck. Once a sector is clear, occupy it, secure it, and move on to the next sector. With 300,000 troops, there is more than enough to get the job done.

 

Sure there's enough troops to take casualty...lol.

It really sounds like you want a plan that will benefit the terrorists more than the Israelis. Why is that?...lol

 

I don't know if I'd be as restrictive as him, but bombing should be more purposeful. This is not WWII with inaccurate strategic carpet bombing. For example, if rockets are seen coming from a place, you can bomb that site asap. If it's an apartment building with lots of civilians, better to use a weapon that doesn't take the whole building down, but sometimes it would be unavoidable. Clear military targets, not neighborhoods. If there's a sniper in an apartment building, you destroy the apartment he's in while he's in it, not the whole building. Water and food restriction is simply not necessary. It would hurt civilians more than Hamas.

Rubbling a city does not actually reduce the advantage of the defenders anyway. See Stalingrad.

 

No, I want a plan that will minimize civilian casualties, and not create more extremists. Killing fewer Palestinian civilians will end up killing fewer Israeli citizens. You seem not to care a bout the lives of innocent Palestinian civilians. Why is that?

I support Israel's right to defend themselves, while doing everything within their power to minimize civilian casualties. You care only for Israelis, and could care less about Palestinians, and you support actions that will ensure more violence in perpetuity.

 

You're proposing a plan that would mean fewer dead terrorists and more dead IDF troops.

 

The defenders of Stalingrad all surrendered...lol

 

How many Hamas terrorist do you think live in Gaza?

 

Can you explain for me how is it the Nazi extremists in Germany whose population we carpet bombed in WWII or the Japanese suicidally devoted extremists whose civilians we nuked twice somehow resulted in both Germany and Japan now being very close and stable allies of ours?

 

I agree with you 6000 Israeli bombs are absolutely unacceptable.

But

Do you think 7000 rockets fired toward Israel since Oct 7 acceptable?

 

If Hamas wants to prevent civilian casualties they need to surrender. Israel will do their best to avoid needless
civilian casualties, but as they result, and they will, you equate that with the deliberate targeting of civilians, raping women so violently that their corpses have broken pelvises, the cutting out of babies from their pregnant mothers, the cutting off of limbs as an act of torture, wiring parents to their children and burning them alive? You actually can't morally distinguish between Hamas as Israeli Defense Forces?

I quite frankly find that unbelievable, so, I wonder why you would engage in that pretense.

 

Regardless of what side one favors, I don't hear much about the desired end state or the roadmap to get there. Short of nuclear weapons, the winner will likely be the side that does the best job of perception management. As I have mentioned in other threads, I heard a Major General state at a conference in the 90s that all future wars will be decided by perception management and I have been thinking about the likely truth of that claim since then. Of course if things escalate to nuclear weapons, there will be no winner.

 

Hmmm 3 weeks and 6,000 bombs a week, you say, gives us 18,000 bombs, which even according to hamas lovers have killed max 8,000 people, far less if we use our brains and realize Hamas is full of crap.

But even at that, that is 1 dead civilian for every 2+ bombs dropped.

which, according to you, is somehow unacceptable.

I’d say that’s Fin remarkable. Over half their bombs don’t kill anyone. Wow that’s awesome. So they’re killing terrorists, making them beg for a ceasefire, softening their defenses, destroying their tunnels, and hitting their supplies, all for the cost of 1 dead civilian for every 2+ bombs.

that’s a bargain by anyone’s standards who knows wtf they are talking about. Especially when the entire population has had 3 weeks to **** of there and to south Gaza.

What you dont do is bayonet charge into the teeth of a well entrenched enemy based on BS reasoning that that somehow saves lives.

But feel free to go over there and prove it to us. Put a GoPro on your head and show us the way to kill terrorists

 

Connect the sewer system to the tunnel system.

Israel's War Against Hamas a Battle for Civilization

'Hamas is a jihadi terror group and the atrocities they committed were exactly like those of ISIS and al Qaeda. It deliberately targets civilians and children. It is savage. '

PROPAGANDA WAPO REPORT DEFENDS USING NUMBERS FROM HAMAS-RUN GAZA MINISTRY OF HEALTH: 'MANY EXPERTS' SAY IT'S 'RELIABLE'



'Hamas is sworn to the destruction of the state of Israel and the murder of Jews. Its charter, written in 1988, explicitly states so. These terrorists do not want dialogue. They want dead Jews, and they have been saying so for 35 years.'

Believe them when they tell you who they are.

'Hamas is sworn to the destruction of the state of Israel and the murder of Jews. Its charter, written in 1988, explicitly states so. These terrorists do not want dialogue! They want dead Jews, and they have been saying so for 35 years. '

 

Of course not. You seem to think I support Hamas. I absolutely do not.

I promise you IDF bombs are far more effective than Hamas rockets can even begin to hope for.

 

That is not "awesome". that is a **** ton of dead civilians. If 8,000 dead civilians is nothing, then why is Israel so upset by a small fraction of that number dead? Hell, they ought to just shake hands and let bygones be bygones then, if 8,000 is nothing. Obviously, saying that 8,000 dead civilians is awesome is absurd.

Apparently you do not understand the impossibility of moving a million civilians when there is no food, no water, no fuel, elderly, injured, and people in hospitals that cannot move, safe routes getting hit that send people scurrying back into their homes, and Hamas that is forcing them to stay put. You seem to think the task simple, when it has proven impossible.

 

Ahhhh....the ole your arms are better than mine so it isn't a fair fight.. even though I started it, response... clever.....

 

Hamas is not going to survive as a military force. They sentenced themselves to death with their brutal slaughter of civilians in a bloody orgy of violence. Hamas is using Palestinians as human shields, yet you are laying their deaths at Israel's feet, not Hamas'. Why is that?