https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/26/woman-refused-abortion-fatal-abnormality-louisiana Third trimester abortions are wanted, desired pregnancies gone horribly, terribly, tragically wrong. I knew a woman who did carry and birth an anencephalic baby. She never really got over it and we lost her to suicide far far far too young But in this case it seems she was only 10 weeks pregnant
Tragic ...and happening in the erroneously named " greatest country in the world" something only an idiot would call the United States.... The barbarism shown to women by sick misogynists is despicable, Third World, ignorant, and Anti-American
This was not even a case of “late term abortion” she was only ten weeks pregnant. Most people would not deny an abortion under those circumstances
This is a difficult and complicated one. If you knew for sure your baby was going to die in six months, would it be okay ethically to just kill your baby now? I agree this should not have been illegal, and the wording of the law left too much ambiguity. This should be considered a severe defect and the child had virtually no chance of being able to live a decent life. This can be true with many different type of laws that regulate things, certainly not just about the issue of abortion.
Bowerbird, let's realize that this is true with most abortions. If the woman gets a suction abortion (by far the most common type of abortion), there will be no intact body to be able to burry. (like fruits put into a blender to make a smoothie) Reality is, if given the choice, most likely this woman would have chosen a suction abortion and is not going to be planning to bury her baby. I highly doubt she will even be collecting the ashes. The body will almost certainly just go to ordinary medical waste incineration. The title of this article is inaccurate and just there to try to illicit emotion.
You have not quoted me correctly so I will not reply to the substance but will point out that you have disingenuously inserted a description of suction abortion and I can only assume it is some clumsy attempt to try to shift sympathy away from this case
I do not understand how I have not quoted you "correctly". You are aware, aren't you, that I don't have to quote everything in your entire post to quote you "correctly"? Seems like you are just looking for an excuse to blow me off. Maybe I am wrong and you genuinely feel this way. If so, please share with us some clue about how I was supposedly being dishonest or misleading by not quoting all of your opening post. I don't see it. How is that disingenuous? The title of your article and thread says "I have to carry my baby to bury my baby". But it only takes a little bit of thought and realism to realize she probably had little chance of burying it, if she did not have to carry it.
Um, no, FoxHastings. I was obviously attempting to draw an ethical analogy. You know, to help us better understand the ethical implications, or give us a different perspective on it.
Why? Anyone can see that it is very much on topic. Maybe you just don't like me calling out your off topic spiels in other threads? Yes there is. The situation in this case implies that the baby is not going to live anyway. So if you think that justifies abortion, then my comparison involving a baby instead of a fetus is valid. Why would this argument apply to fetus and not a baby? (And I'm not talking about other abortion arguments)
I am so sorry you have never learned the difference between BORN and UNBORN...but it is a tremendous difference and if you haven't gotten it by now I doubt you ever will and will keep up your asinine "analogies"... for what reason? No one, not even you, knows...
Government interference is far from reasonable in this case. (And all others) If only Americans would stand together and oppose government abuse of power. Unfortunately, those opposing abortion laws push their own brand of abuse. (Vaccine mandates, gun control, and 87K IRS angents)
I agree. But this case is NOT representative of all cases. Not all abortions involve abnormalities and not all abnormalities are as severe and hopeless as this one.
These smokescreen posts are annoying. In nearly every jurisdiction exceptions are made for this sort of thing. The abortion argument is clearly about convenience abortions or abortion as birth control!
No but it does represent a subset of cases where exceptions should be made. The “Ban every abortion” brigade is learning hard lessons about WHY this subject is NOT cut and dried
I just want to point out it's not impossible to save that baby's life. It is possible for surgeons to create an artificial skull, covering the areas that do not cover the brain. The developing baby of course would have to be delivered through c-section because vaginal delivery would crush the brain with no skull. I don't know the details but I will assume the skull is not totally non-existent, but that it just doesn't cover the cranium surrounding the brain.
The brain is not going to develop properly in-utero and there is a 100 percent fatality rate for death in-utero or usually within hours after birth. Any pregnant woman faced with this should be able to make their own personal decision about what they want to do. Why should a woman have to go through a c-section which is major surgery and then have to watch their child die soon after. It should be entirely their choice.
Where there's a will, there's a way. A lot of people just think it's easier to abort than bother with a complicated surgery that could save the baby's life.
So you are advocating for a newborn, who will likely die within hours to days, and who, if survives will be a turnip , blind, deaf, unable to speak, have no quality of life, to undergo surgery that would likely kill them? In this case, the humane action would be an abortion. Complicated surgeries are actually performed on fetuses in utero successfully all the time when a good outcome is expected. If there is no hope a fetus will survive then a doctor will go over what choices the parents have. If you don’t like that, too bad. You would think after starting 77 threads on abortion and from all the replies you get you would understand that it’s not a black and white issue and what you have just said is downright cruel to both the fetus and the parents.
