I refuse to be preached to from the Old Testament

come on, if God did not exist would man put this in a book

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Chronicles+15:13&version=KJV
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2 Chronicles 15:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
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that is definitely something a jealous God would say right?

and the bible says this is exactly what God is... a jealous God

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+34:14&version=KJV
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Exodus 34:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
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so it must all be true

 

And I never lie and I'm always right.
Republican logic 101

 

LOL!!! Yep. But I keep saying it’s all about what’s hidden in the language. 2 Chron 15:13 not only conceals its meaning, but it is in this case completely BS, cuz it assumes "whosoever does seek the Lord God of Israel is not put to death”! (NO ONE leaves this world alive!!)

And Exodus 34:14 is in MAJOR disagreement with the NT which says there is one god, and both statements are in the same damned BIBLE!! LOL!!!!

 

Well of course such things as your experience exist. Why would the world be awash in a seemingly countless variety of similar counterfeits were it not. But your attempt to project your own self induced delusion upon me or what I know to be true is hardly rational. All that you have learned is that it is possible to create a fake God in your mind, and impossible to create a true and living God outside yourself. This goes to the point that God isn't mans creation. Men may falsely identify with God, just as they may identify with women or women with men. It is self delusion. But it doesn't mean that there are no men or women. It only means that they are lost in their imaginings of self.

 

Our difference is that you trust yourself. I don't trust myself. I trust my living God. You should have learned from your own experience not to trust yourself. But here you are once again trusting yourself to project your failure on me.

 

In reality YOU have created a fake god and have zero evidence for it or you would share it.

You’re saying that if I claim there is no unicorn sitting beside me, it means I have created a fake unicorn that isn’t there. See how ridiculous that kind of thinking is?

 

Hypnagogia and hypnopompia.

 

I think your experience of presence got judged by that poster on the basis of whether or not you then converted to that poster's faith.

Since you didn't, your experience got judged as second rate.

 

Exactly.

 

it does amaze me how many still believe that book is the words of a God

 

After 84 years of life I have come to the conclusion that many people feel the NEED to believe in something. Whether it's the God of the Bible ot the Allah of the Qu'ran or some other god. It gives them comfort and softens the realities of life. To be able to thank their god for the good things and blame the bad things on some other being alleviates the need to look at their own actions. Religions do not encourage people to look beyond what they are taught or to study 'behind the scenes'. To tell a Christian their book is full of stories and myths is sacrilege. To tell a Muslim their book is simply adapted from the Bible and you insult Mohammed. Yet both statements are true to those who dare to look beyond at the real truth.
Corresponding with a Christian a short time ago I pointed out that this world was created in such a way, by their god, that Noahs Biblical flood could not have occurred. I described why. She still told me she preferred to believe the Bible story. Many people do not want to know the truth - it's too hard. Birth, life and death are realities. The rest is what you want to believe.

 

I HAVE read it and got almost nothing out of it. Even if it did, it does not mean one ought to put the text on a pedestal above other books as "Yahweh's words"

The fact that it was written BY Jews ABOUT Jews makes it very easy to conclude that it's FOR Jews and ONLY Jews (modern day Rabbinic Judaism agrees with my stated ONLY)

 

But why put Jewish texts on a pedestal as God's Word when I can say the same for any other book which leave profound impressions?

 

My first question would be "Why would God chose one tribe over another?', are they not all HIs creations?

I know what you want to do, but I don't think you can do it without tossing out the Bible in its entirety.

Judaism gave birth to Christ, and He gave birth to Christianity, or more accurately, his followers (mainly Paul) gave the world the 'Christianity' we know today.

Tell the folks who bound the two books into one Canon, a gradual process spanning a couple of centuries from (as I understand it) from about the second though to the fourth century when the Bible we know today was pretty much finalized. If it's there, it's 'the word of God'. Right?

Well, When in doubt, learn old Greek and read the original texts of the New Testament (probably second century, eh? ) .

For a Christian to deny Judaism would be like you denying your own mother.

 

You seem to have entirely missed the point. The narrative is shared. You want to make it a story about something you fear, I suppose, so of course it has to include the antisemetic BS you included. It still doesn't address the point made.

 

You might want to take a look at the Bible Codes......
and then rethink your opinion of the Jewish Bible so far.



Note...the Jewish Bible was not written until millennia AFTER Adam and Eve basically sold themselves to former Covering Cherub Halel who I believe, has been acting a lot like Stanley Milgram Ph. D. in the research he has been conducting on us humans. With Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan ruling over the earth like a monarch...... things like slavery and warfare were inevitable to occur. Moses and the Prophets were dealing with an extremely difficult set of circumstances that they had to react to and alleviate somewhat.


https://reluctant-messenger.com/eden_1.htm

"The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly." (Jeremiah 23:20)

My theory is that NOW we are living in the time period when the entire plan of our Creator for us can be understood... .. .and explained clearly. I believe that this is happening through near death experience accounts.

www.near-death.com/

Here is a thirteen chapter near death experience account.. .that in my opinion fits brilliantly with every aspect of parapsychology that you or I could study!

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html

Chapter three.....

But..... do not take for granted that there are no death camps in this universe multiverse... that we get ourselves into through SELFISHNESS!!!!!!!!!!

 

As I said before; the fact that modern Rabbinic Judaism rejects Christ and the New Testament says a lot. The Old Testament was written by Jews about Jews. The fact that the descendants of said authors reject Christ makes it easy to conclude that the Old Testament is ONLY for Jews. It also speaks to the truth claims of the New Testament. I wouldn't put it past religious Jews to be secretly laughing at Christian misunderstandings of their scriptures.

I reject the claim that the New Testament is the 'word of God' so it's just as easy to reject the Old Testament. My specific objection here is people with clerical collars telling me the Exodus is the story of MY people. It's not. It might have some gems of wisdom, but it's just another book. NOT something to be put on a pedestal.

As for rejecting your mother, by that logic your mother who adopted you is laughing at your misunderstandings of her life story. Also nothing in this world is 100% sacred. Your relationship with your mother would not be sacred if your mother abused or abandoned you. Just like children are not so-called "gifts from God". A woman who is raped, gets pregnant and is forced to carry a baby to birth would be right if she thought the baby is not a "gift from God" (you can/should be pro-life, just don't preach the Bible to a raped woman).

 

What you should do is petition whoever should be petitioned to decannonize the old testament. The Bible, as written, is the book of Christianity. The old testament and the Torah are just something Judaism and Christianity have in common. Though there is some debate about this, but I suggest that it was the Essenes, a Jewish Sect, brought us Jesus. Jesus is the product of Judaism. He is the flowering of Judaism. Judaism, like other religions (except Christianity) has an esoteric section (Judaism has the Kabbala and Hasidism, Islam has Sufism, etc). In my view, they are two sides of the same coin. However, I reject both of them. I prefer the Gospel of Thomas and the Gnostic books and esoteric wisdom of Eastern philosophers, such as Siddhartha, Lao Tzu, Chuang Tzu, Ramana Maharshi, etc. .

Until then, I don't buy your argument.

But, my view is this: If god writes books, he wrote all books, or he wrote none. by my god is not a personal god, we are all the manifestation of a collective force, which some call god, but it's not personal, it's not a 'intelligent designer'. I see that life has a spiritual basis, there is the eternal soul in each of us. I'm into pantheism.

 

Yup, God is jealous for the well being of His creation which started "very Good" until Man turned to sin.

It's written in the second of the Ten Commandments. -

- Exodus 20:4-6

 

sounds more like a jealous boyfriend that punishes people for not loving him, then says if only you loved me I would not of had to do this to you

 

Man does it to himself. It's just the way God's creation was made. If you screw up, you suffer.