ICC issues arrest warrant for Putin and Russian official tied to alleged deportation of Ukrainian ch

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ICC issues arrest warrant for Putin and Russian official tied to alleged deportation of Ukrainian children

From CNN's Hira Humayun

The International Criminal Court has issued arrest warrants for Russian President Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova, it announced in a news release on Friday.

Lvova-Belova is the Russian official at the center of the alleged scheme to forcibly deport thousands of Ukrainian children to Russia.​

Live updates: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-03-17-23/index.html

Very nice. I look at this as a first tentative step toward holding Putin and others accountable for war crimes committed in Ukraine. I wonder if whatever regime takes over after his downfall in Muscovy will see him extradited.

 

Ya look. I agree Putin should be up for war crimes, OBVIOUSLY...but then you need to indict President Bush for the action in Afghanistan and Iraq or we have a double standard.

And to be honest? If we are going to slip into a bipolar world, then the United States needs to answer for the dumbassery of Iraq and Afghanistan. We need to own it.

 

First things first.

 

Russia is not going to recognize or acknowledge such a decision unless you are impartial and consistent.

 

Yeah, right. Muscovy won't recognize it regardless.

 

No they won't but it lacks any credibility unless it comes from a history of consistency.

 

Wonderful news. Criminals need to be charged for their crimes against humanity.

 

I guess we have to hand Trump over the Iranians as well. That Soleimani affair wasn't very legal either.

 

I'd look at each instance objectively. But surely there is a parallel between the war crimes in Ukraine vs what we did in Iraq. The end goals may be different but we certainly do not have clean hands. If the ICC ignored all of that then where the hell is it's moral ground?

I'm being objective here.

 

Sounds great....but we'll see what happens?

Sooo...now that there's a warrant out for his arrest....he basically a fugitive on the run?....in his own country.

If he leaves to go anywhere....he'll be arrested?

 

Putin is basically out to erase Ukraine off the map, it's people,culture,etc.

US involvement in Iraq wasn't about wiping Iraq off the map....more so getting rid of Hussein.

There's that difference. Just saying.

 

Yep. No White House visit for Putin in the next Gump administration

 

Maybe some moskalniks in the Kremlin will finally realize it's time to pop this clown Putler before even worse happens.

 

Eventually. Might take another year or so at this rate.

 

ICC judges issue arrest warrant for Putin over war crimes in Ukraine
"Separately the court issued a warrant for Maria Lvova-Belova, Russia's Commissioner for Children's Rights, on the same charges.

ICC prosecutor Karim Khan opened an investigation into possible war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide in Ukraine a year ago. He highlighted during four trips to Ukraine that he was looking at alleged crimes against children and the targeting of civilian infrastructure."

 

Yep....the wheels are in motion....it's showtime.

 

No I stated there are differences however, America did absolutely commit war crimes.

 

What does this realistically mean? Does this mean that Putin can no longer travel to a western countries for state visits or to attend meeting like the G20? If he was to attend something like a G20 could they execute the warrant and arrest him?

 

Agreed.

 

I don't think it's quite on the same level. I would agree Bush should have been tried, but Putin is taking it further. He's basically trying to destroy Ukraine, including with kidnapping children to indoctrinate them and trying to kill civilians. It was wrong to go into Iraq, but we weren't trying to exterminate Iraq. So if the line is somewhere between what Bush did and what Putin has done, I understand and it's not a double standard, I would just put the line to include Bush. You couldn't call it a double standard unless the person who got away with it was at least as bad. He's not.

 

You are not reading what I am saying. Just say you agree and move on.

 

lol, I'll simplify it:

I agree: Bush should have been tried as a war criminal.
I disagree: That there is a double standard - because Bush is less of a war criminal than Putin.

 

Bush committed war crimes. Crimes. You agree. I never talked about the severity between the two or who was worse between the two. Only that they are both guilty.

 

Severity matters if you assert a double standard. We may have a lower bar for bringing charges than the ICC. They can have a consistent bar and say that Putin met it while Bush did not.

 

Is it clear Bush's armed forces committed war crimes? Yes. Should he be held accountable? Yes.