illegals and their children overwhelming school systems

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  1. Anders Hoveland

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    Each year $12 Billion dollars is spent on primary and secondary school education for children illegally residing in the US, and nearly all of them are unable to speak english. An additional $17 Billion dollars per year is spent on education for the American-born children of illegal aliens.
    The U.S. Census Bureau just released 2008 figures showing the national average total per-pupil funding from all revenue sources was $12,028. Although estimates of the number of school-age children of illegal immigrants don’t separate those attending public versus private schools, it is reasonable to assume that nearly all attend public schools since most come from lower-income families. Therefore, if one multiplies $12,028 by the roughly 3.7 million students with illegal-immigrant parents, then one gets a national total funding cost of $44.5 billion.

    In California, total funding per pupil from all state, federal and local revenue sources was $11,649. With roughly 923,000 students in the state with illegal-immigrant parents, these students represented a total cost of nearly $10.8 billion out of a total 2008 k-12 education budget of $72 billion. These totals rely on average per-pupil funding numbers.

    University Education
    The children of immigrants who go to college divert the state-funded scholarships away from the children of people who were born in this country. The states (especially California) give scholarships to “economically disadvantaged students”. The immigrant parents, who usually live in poverty, pay very little taxes into the system because of their low incomes. Often they have no tax history (because they are illegally working in this country) and the employer never witheld any taxes from their paycheck. California once provided its residents with free college tuition to its state universities, but today can no longer afford to do so. Going to college is now becoming increasingly unaffordable to many of California's residents. In several states university applicants are also increasingly being rejected, and the entry requirements have been increased because of the increased number of college applicants. Many students with lower grade point averages are unable to get accepted into a school. Even students with good grade point averages are finding that is not possible to get accepted into a college near their parent’s house. This means they are unable to save money by living with their parents, even though the cost of living at college has grown increasingly unaffordable. Many state universities are actually raising their tuition to give scholarships to economically disadvantaged children- whether they were born in this country or not! Even if the children of immigrants did not get any state scholarships, state universities are heavily subsidized by the state, which means that the cost of tuition only reflects a portion of the actual cost of educating the student.

    There was one case in which a boy had grown up in California all his life. Two years before he became an adult, both his parents left for new jobs in New York state. The boy stayed with his grandmother in California to continue school, only leaving once to briefly visit his parents in New York. When it came time to apply to college, the boy found out that he was not elligable for in-state tuition, since neither of his parents lived in California. (Neither was he elligible for tuition in New York, since his parents had only worked there for two years and the boy had not attended high school there) Despite his parents paying taxes into the state system, the boy was unable to get in-state tuition. Interestingly children of undocumented migrant farm workers are elligible for in-state tuition in California, whether or not they have worked more than six months in the state!

    Illegals Demand Taxpayers pay for Free College
    From the San Francisco Examiner: A group of eight illegal immigrants have been arrested by Atlanta police after they blocked a downtown street to protest their lack of access to higher education. The group, made up mostly of students, sat in the middle of a street near the Georgia Capitol for more than an hour Tuesday before they were handcuffed and placed in a police van. Hundreds of supporters lined the sidewalks and cheered when they were led away. The group says immigration is a civil rights issue and protesters met with former activists before the demonstration to get help with their strategy. Police re-routed traffic before arresting the students and charging them with obstructing traffic. Some of them were chanting through tears while others were smiling as they were put into the van.


    Changing demographics
    In 1960, white children comprised 86.6% of the students enrolled in American elementary and secondary schools. By the 2005, the percentage had fallen to 57.1%. In the years between 1993 to 2006, the percentage of Hispanics in public school increased by more than 55%. In 1993, 34% of all white students attended a school in which fewer than 5% of the students were minorities. By 2005, this percentage had decreased to only 21%.

    California
    In 2007 Hispanics made up more than 48% of California's student population. As of 2010, according to the state Department of Education, 51% of students (3.1 million) are Hispanic. The state of California provided $9,266 per student in 2003. Note that this is only the funding recieved from the state, counties and cities fund the remainder of the educational costs. Using these numbers, it can be estimated that the cost to the state of California alone to educate its hispanic students is more than $28.7 billion.

    Texas
    In Texas, it is conservatively estimated that there are at least 224,000 school-aged illegal immigrants in the state, with a further 300,000 students who are children of illegal immigrants. The average anual cost of educating a public school student in Texas is is $7,136. This ammounts to $3.74 billion, which is slightly more than the total ammount of money Texas recieves from the federal government for education! Unfortuneately, an accurate assessment of the extent of the problem is not possible since the Texas Education Agency specifically forbids school districts from collecting statistics on how many of their students are illegally residing in the country. Through House Bill 1403, passed in 2001, illegal immigrants have access to in-state tuition, a benefit that most legal immigrants do not even have, which costs the state $34.5 million annually.

    http://www.martynemko.com/articles/overwhelming-america_id1253
     
  2. gamewell45

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    Its quite simple; make them all citizens and that solves that problem. Maybe they'll start to report income and pay taxes to help run the schools.
     
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    It's hard to believe that any educated person would have a problem with another human being trying to gain an education for themselves.
     
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    Mexicans just want to be Mexicans. There is no reason for them to become American. America has creature comforts Mexicans love, but otherwise is unattractive to the Aztec Warriors and their women. The Mexicans are here as colonists, not as immigrants.
     
  5. Anders Hoveland

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    what about all the poor minority children leading to overwhelmed school districts, and poor quality education?

    From a speech professor Elizabeth Warren gave in speech at Berkeley:
    The inflation adjusted cost of housing for a family without children between 1983 to 2003 increased 50%. During that same time period the inflation adjusted cost of housing for a family with children increased 100%. Why the huge difference? Families are paying more money for good school districts. Families without children do not have to buy houses in good school districts, and so they can have a wider pool of homes to select from.

    With school districts becoming overwhelmed by the large influx of poor minorities, good school districts are a shrinking resource, and it is costing middle class families a large ammount of money.

    I do not understand why so many families with children do not care about all the illegals coming into their country, but at the same time these families paid $100,000 more for a house in a good school district, even though they could have gotten an identical house in a district with lots of poor minority children.
    Most middle class parents feel very strongly about having their children in a good school district, and are very concerned when they percieve their school district to be deteriorating. Despite this, the increasingly "multiracial"-minded government seems intent on "integrating" schools, devising policies that will make predominantly middle class white schools more ethnically 'diverse'. By busing in poor minorities from impoverished areas outside the school district, they are effectively forcing whites to subsidize their local tax money and quality of their childrens education for the benefit of poor minority children.

    Because of all the minority children overcrowding the school districts, many mothers are now forgoing careers to spend all day homeschooling thier children. The cost of these mother's time and loss of income from not working is often not considered when discussing the costs of educating the children of illegals. It is very common for three to four whole families to crowd into a single home that was only meant to house a single family. Because of this, many cities with large immigrant populations are overcrowded, without enough parking spaces or enough class rooms for all the children. The original schools were never designed to deal with so many students, and so in many of these schools, there are more portable building put up in the former athletic field than there are actual 'brick-and-mortar' class rooms. The middle class whites with children are fleeing these overcrowded school districts.
     
  6. Clint Torres

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    Funding schools is not the problem here. The government in each state will pay tax money to what ever the schools want. At whatever cost to keep the schools and their unions and associations happy. Consider the issue of illegal students another poster child for schools to demand more money. It works all the time. If not them then it will be autistic kids, or fat kids, or canadian kids or muslim kids. This is just more of the same. Basically a deamon to instill fear and support from the simple minded folk who have no ability to see beyond one concept/idea.

    Just another thing to fund and bring each state farther and farther into delcine.
     
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    I am proud of Anders for taking a racist position and trying to defend it.

    "California
    In 2007 Hispanics made up more than 48% of California's student population. As of 2010, according to the state Department of Education, 51% of students (3.1 million) are Hispanic. The state of California provided $9,266 per student in 2003. Note that this is only the funding recieved from the state, counties and cities fund the remainder of the educational costs. Using these numbers, it can be estimated that the cost to the state of California alone to educate its hispanic students is more than $28.7 billion."

    Please note. Not a word about "illegal immigrants." No, it's hispanics who are the problem.
     
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    There's another approach to the one you suggest. Internecine conflict without end. I like that approach better.

    Do you know the difference between Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse? Sitting Bull gave up and accommodated white people. Crazy Horse fought them to the death. In South Dakota there's a monument to Crazy Horse. There's no monument to Sitting Bull.
     
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    Is this too much money to be wasting?
     
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    Perhaps your approach would be wise. As it would make them proud to be an American in the North, and they can pay up the taxes and join the military to fight wars for the privialged. In fact they may also work in agriculture in the USA and take the burden of labor off those who do not posess the ability to do hard work. It would make America more nationalistic.
     
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    Clarity is a virtue. No offense.
     
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    None taken.
     
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    Very deep Al and it makes a lot of sense...The above photo shows what they have done so far...below is what it will look like when done...
    Thought you might be interested....:smile:

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    Anybody that is not willing to be a complete American should say where they are and not bother, we are not here for them to take advantage of. We should ship them out as soon as they are caught and never stop, when our Military comes home they can find jobs on our Borders and defend Americans from this unwanted and illegal invasion.
    We have worked hard to make our land what it is today, perhaps they should do the same to theirs...
     
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    IMO the boarder guards are doing a good job with what they have to work with. To use the military to do it would only cost the USA more money that it does not have. We could hire Mexicans and Canadians to do it for less.

    The best route would be to see Mexico have a better economy and the Mexicans would'nt need to x-over. However that is not going to happen any time soon. The USA's public education system will fall before the economy goes from bad to worst. From what I see, the Public schools system will be taking down States in the USA little bit more each year.

    However, with Boarder States like Texas, and New Mexico doing well economicaly, most of the migration will be heading there. As a result, they will benifit from the cheap labor force of the Mexicans who seek employment in agriculture and manufacturing. As these are the jobs the Americans have no skill at and refuse to do.
     
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    They will be overwhelming our Defenses soon enough ...:omg:
     
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    Our schools will fail within the next 15 years and it will bring down the State of CA first, the other states will follow soon enough.
     
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    I don't think California even has five years left.
     
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    IMO the CA economy will continue to decline for at least 8 straight years and the bottom will be in about 12. Reason is CA's education system costs the taxpayer in CA 2x more than any other expense they have, and with the public education system growing it will only consume more Califrisco tax money as the years go on. The univirsity systems in CA is another large burden on the tax payer with more construction cost than personel cost.

    While other States in the South, TX, UT, and CT draw corporations in technology, insurance, investment banking, and the medical industry, CA's only tax contributers will be the entertainment industry and whats left of the comercial manufacturing, agriculture and commerce. These industries don't pay as much as the banking, insurance, investment, and venture capital industries that have been able to survive in a down economy.

    The current States that have drawn the money making industries are giving the corporations almost tax free run of their state, just to draw them. Most of the banking and insurance industries do no have a big foot print, and once the States start to up their taxes, they will move to other States who decide to give those coproations free tax payments.

    Some call it the brain drain. People who are intelligent go to where they can have a better quality of life: avoid taxes, avoid the commute in a rat race, have more quality time to enjoy life, and avoid crime and pollution. Education in public schools rank low on the scale of destination, as most intelligent and wealthy people send their privilaged kids to private school.
     
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    Good analysis. But I don't know about the time frame. I don't see how things can keep going on like this.
     
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    For things to change it takes a governator who is a leader. I just don't see any epic changes happening except for one major change every 4 years. It will take at least 2 major changes to see how things pan out. Sort of like government deregulation. It takes the taxpayers 4 years to realize deregulation of power companies (energy) was a mistake. After they pay the teachers more money it will be 4 years later that they realize they can't go down this road, and will change somthing, and it will be another 4 years to see how that panned out. By then the schools will be too big to dismantle. most of the intelligent people would have left by then and the diehard Califriscoians would be left to carry the burden, because most will be followers not innovators and not much leaders.

    My only hope is Mexico can eradicate the drug violence in the next 12 years. Then Mexico will be a prime destination for many Americans. Nice weather, good looking woman, and great culture.
     
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    I was thinking this te entire time I read this thread. Honestly, whats the matter with an illegal immigrants child trying to get an education? Because it takes money from the legal residents? Because the money could be used for a legal resident instead. Lol, sharing is caring, any money put into an education will more often and not come back in the end. And what it does do is create more potential employees or more jobs.
     
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    The immigrant kids in schools don't take the money home they don't get paid. The money goes to the schools, and the DOE takes the money home. If China, and Cuba, and India can educate their kids in larger classess for ten time the cost of what taxpayers pay, and get better outcomes of smarter kids. I would think the USA would be able to do the same. Immigrants seem to be the only ones qualified with the intelligence and skill to work in agriculture and manufacturing in the USA. Most of them will have the advantage of being bi-lingual and will have pressure from their parents to do their best in school to avoid deportaion.

    Often the illegals who graduate HS and go to college do it on their own dollar. They do not leach off the parents for free, and often work several unskilled jobs to be the first in their family to go to college. Often these are the ones that will be successfull and establish citizenship as an adult, Some will join the military, some will work as their parents did, some will go into small busniss (mom & pop). These immigrants will be the most qualified to hire because of their work ethic and selfdetermination and their desire for independance from their family. Few of this first generation will be criminals.

    What most people see are the legal ones who are often 2nd or 3rd generation. These are the spoiled ones who have parents that give them everything they as parents cound not have. Often these youths will be forced through public schools. Some turn out like most americans and feel privilaged and morally superior, and want opportunity to come to them. Most will leach off their hardworking parents and grandparents. A lot will turn to crime because of their lack of good charater, poor education, lazyness, and sense of entitlement. Just like other Americans.

    The argument that somehow money is needed to teach is a farse. You can teach the same thing in the same time to 20 students as you can to 35 students. The problem is not the illegal alien who is costing the system failure nor is it the money that is causing the public schools in the USA to fail. It is the lack of ability to teach students and the lack of leadership.

    Public schools in the USA have only one solution: throw more money at an excuse.
     
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    Exactly. When people (any people) are educated, everyone wins.
     
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    If you want them to be educated so badly, then why don't you pay for it, since you care so much?
     

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