I'm Pro-Gun, Change My Mind

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  1. TOG 6

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    If the person is prohibited under law because of mental issues, the check will reveal this, just like it does when you undergo a background check when buying a gun.
     
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    By now most people would have learned to take my word for it. ;-)

    "Sellers in Bosnia and Serbia have networks in Sweden’s diaspora and are so eager to unload excess grenades, often rusted from decades in storage, that they throw them in free with the purchase of AK-47s, Mr. Appelgren said. In Sweden the street price of a hand grenade is 100 kroner, or $12.50."
    THE NEW YORK TIMES, Hand Grenades and Gang Violence Rattle Sweden’s Middle Class, By Ellen Barry and Christina Anderson, March 3, 2018.
    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/03/world/europe/sweden-crime-immigration-hand-grenades.html

    Which is not to say that I do not admire your determination. :)
     
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    Do you really believe that the entire pro gun ban media in the UK are unaware of the statistics on crime?
     
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    Ordinary Canadians, like ordinary British subjects have been stripped of their right to self defense. Surely you know that.

    "Closer to Calgary, Okotoks homeowner Edouard Maurice was taken into custody by the RCMP on the weekend after two men attempted to rob him. Maurice now faces serious charges including aggravated assault, pointing a firearm and careless use of a firearm after shots were fired, one of which struck alleged thief Ryan Watson in the arm.

    Watson has since been charged with trespassing by night, mischief to property, theft under $5,000 from a motor vehicle, possession of methamphetamine and failure to comply with probation. In other words, he faces a slap on the wrist while Maurice, the true victim, faces possible jail time."
    CALGARY HERALD, Corbella: As rural crime soars, residents go to desperate measures to protect their property, By Licia Corbella,
    Published on: February 28, 2018.
    http://calgaryherald.com/news/local...aves-rural-families-frightened-in-their-homes

    Criminals rule over ordinary people in nations with strict gun control.
    That is the whole idea.
     
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    This is a fascinating view...
     
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    This proves nothing. Get a clue.
     
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    I see. You're not willing to discuss the stats.
     
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    Fer crissake, I just quoted you the law in Canada, straight from their ciminal code.

    Grandma can blow the intruder away. The law (see above) says so. She doesn't have to register her shotgun, either.
     
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    In US, 100s are killed every week by homicide for no crime,—no reason—not at the hands of police, as US police brutality is a separate issue. The accessibility of guns leads to homicide; it's created problems for a country like US, everyone admits, fears, & is concerned about it.
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    Paste up some specific stats you think are relevant and that the UK media are ignoring.
    I will be happy to discuss them with you.
     
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    In fact, it proves that real assault rifles and other military weapons including hand grenades can be easily obtained by criminals in Sweden.

    Do you think they ask for a "permit" before they buy them?
     
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    I'm Pro-Gun, Change My Mind

    Why would anyone want to do that?
     
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    So, are saying that the police who arrest Canadians for exercising their right to self defense are scofflaws?

    "Watson has since been charged with trespassing by night, mischief to property, theft under $5,000 from a motor vehicle, possession of methamphetamine and failure to comply with probation. In other words, he faces a slap on the wrist while Maurice, the true victim, faces possible jail time."
    CALGARY HERALD, Corbella: As rural crime soars, residents go to desperate measures to protect their property, By Licia Corbella,
    Published on: February 28, 2018.
    http://calgaryherald.com/news/local...aves-rural-families-frightened-in-their-homes

    Is that how it works in the UK too? They have the right to self defense until they exercise it and get arrested?
     
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    You keep citing examples where people are defending property, not people. Read the information I provided.

    Even though the Canadian Criminal Code talks about using deadly force to protect people and the police are known to arrest people defending property, there are few people charged and even fewer convictions for protecting possessions.
     
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    You have been misinformed.

    “Klass was in the kitchen with her daughter upstairs when she spotted the youths in her garden just after midnight on Friday. She grabbed a knife and banged the windows before they ran away.

    Hertfordshire police warned her she should not have used a knife to scare off the youths because carrying an "offensive weapon", even in her own home, was illegal.

    Klass's spokesman, Jonathan Shalit, said the former Hear'Say singer was "utterly terrified" by the intruders and "aghast" at the police warning.”
    THE GUARDIAN, Myleene Klass warned after brandishing knife to deter intruders
    Police tell TV presenter she was acting illegally in waving kitchen knife at youths who were peering in window late at night, Haroon Siddique and agencies, 10 January, 2017.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jan/10/myleene-klass-knife-intruders

    The movement to strip humanity of its natural right to self defense has succeeded wherever gun control politicians rule.
    Another good reason why ordinary human beings now fear their own governments
     
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    I have always been a believer that legislative bodies can distinguish between severities of conduct and that they are perfectly capable of writing different sentences for perjury than for fraud or grand larceny and to write different sentencing for attempted manslaughter and aggravated murder. There are even some crimes that have levels of severity described as ascending numbers.

    We are both intelligent people.I will stop the patronizing, if you stop being disingenuous. Shades exist between black and white , and people can see them.
     
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    I’m not being disingenuous. I’m being skeptical.

    You started our conversation with some sort of strained point about meth labs. You didn’t clarify this point, but I assume you meant to argue that laws against the production of meth prevent some people from producing meth, despite the existence of illegal meth labs. Instead you argued that laws against the production of meth are important to keep you personally (and ostensibly people like you) off meth. Beyond that, you’re going to have a very difficult time showing some sort of reduction in meth production that exists as a result of people who were deterred by a law that may have a negative impact on their future.

    But none of that is really the point we’re trying to argue. I’m skeptical, of course, because we are not talking about people like you describe when trying to prevent meth production. After all, you yourself said that meth users are less likely to be the kind of people who are thinking long term. They are not as concerned with the consequences of their behavior as they are with impulsive gratification.

    And likewise, I’m skeptical because we’re not talking about people like you describe when trying to prevent mass murder. An impulsive meth user will make meth in the same way an impulsive killer will make a tool to accomplish that goal. And that was the point I was making about the inability to suppress the knowledge necessary to fabricate a firearm with similar capability as the arms that people want to ban. We’re not talking about a complex piece of machinery. We’re talking about something you can build with a drill press, a router, and a few brain cells.

    On the subject of sentencing, I was making the point that you can’t inflict the same sentence on someone that you’ve prevented from committing a crime as you inflict on someone who has committed the crime. If you nab someone for possession of a tool of mass murder, you’re not going to remove them from society. You’re just going to put them on ice for a while. They are going to get out, and they’re not likely to come out the other end a model citizen. On the contrary, they are likely to come out worse. That’s why I said what I did about sentencing. You can’t put away a mass murderer that you’ve prevented from mass murdering.
     
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    see above.
     
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    I gave you a cite with the criminal code in Canada.
    This was from the UK, not Canada.
     
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    THEY DON'T, MOST GUN MURDERS IN THE UK ARE BETWEEN RIVAL DRUG GANGS AND WHO GIVES A TOSS ABOUT THAT? Start with 30 gun crimes add another 30 and that is an increase of 100% Wow!! but New York can outdo that in the same time span by 75 gross.

    Since the Guardian is your source of info. I'll give you another Guardian Quote--More Americans have died from guns since 1968 than in all the wars in US history.
     
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    Liberals love the kiddies, who do you think harvests their organs??
     

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