Iran attacking Israel

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  1. Joe knows

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    Just like the last time this will go unanswered. Israel was Likely pressured from the U.S. to not respond last time. This administration’s weak policies are leading to escalation after escalation. This attack was double in size from the last. We need to hit Irans nuclear sites along with their oil machine. We need to cripple them for this.
     
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    Biden calling for ceasefires is NOT him telling Israel they can't defend themselves against Hamas or Hezbollah. There is a huge difference. Biden has never ordered nor asked for a unilateral ceasefire by Israel as you are well aware. Biden has never told Israel to agree to anything that would endanger its citizens.

    Stop with the bullshit and trying to twist what he said.

    By the way how do you pretend not to know Trump told Netanyahu not to invade Lebanon and repeatedly told Netanyahu Israel should end the war with Hamas? So stop with the crap.

    Biden and the French President in fact called for a JOINT temporary ceasefire. Stop misrepresenting what they said.

    "In a joint statement, Biden and French President Emmanuel Macron said it was time for a deal “that ensures safety and security to enable civilians to return to their homes” rather than increase hostilities that could spark “a much broader conflict, and harm to civilians.”

    We therefore have worked together in recent days on a joint call for a temporary ceasefire to give diplomacy a chance to succeed and avoid further escalations across the border,” they added.

    Their reference to civilians was BOTH Israeli and Lebanese. Stop trying to remove it from its actual context to solely one aimed at Israel. That is false. That is a lie.

    The above comment was to BOTH Hezbollah and Israel equally not just to Israel.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ael-lebanon-ceasefire-joe-biden-b2621564.html
    Also your comments about Iran make zero sense. I stated:

    "Actually Biden supported Israel's actions in Lebanon and spoke out about Iran attacking Israel. "

    Next your comment as to what I said about Iran makes no sense. As you are well aware the Iran attacks on Israel are in response to supporting Hamas and Hezbollah and the recent attacks in Lebanon. They are linked so why would you attempt to say my comment must only comment on Lebanon?

    In the full context of all his comments, Biden has made it clear over and over in the ceasefire he calls for he does NOT ask Israel to agree to anything that would enable terrorists or Iran to be able to attack it.

    Stop lying.


    Your messiah who claims there would be no wars in the world if he was President has no position other than that delusional malignant narcissism reference.

    Trump lectured Netanyahu shortly after the Hamas attacks not to have too long a response and end any war with Hamas and Hezbollah quickly as if Netanyahu was a moron in need of that lecture.

    Trump has also said Jews will be to blame if he is not re-elected and are all mentally unstable if they do not vote for him because he is the only one who can save Israel.

    That is demented and as dangerous as him saying he would blow up Iran.

    Biden and probably Harris will question Israel of course. That does not mean they are anti Israel it means they question certain responses. Israelis question certain IDF responses as well.

    Asking BOTH sides to step down from war is what leaders do. They do not cheer on one side like Putin as Trump does.

    Go on explain to everyone why Trump who cheers on Putin when Putin is Iran's no.2 ally next to China is consistent in saying he would blow up Iran. Makes total sense.

    Just so we are clear your messiah has one response-Biden and Harris are to blame for everything-he makes no proposals for peace anywhere in the world.

    https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/sep/11/how-kamala-harris-and-donald-trump-compare-on-isra/




     
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    You say you don't want escalation, so you propose we (the US) attack Iran, and.......that makes sense to you......:confused:
     
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    If they want to attack to protect their interests I say it green lights us to protect ours. I never said I don’t support escalation in reaction to escalation. To not support reactionary escalation is asinine. I totally support crippling them with missiles if they want to play a missile game, let’s….
     
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    lol longest breath of tripe I’ve ever seen. Biden said what he said, making your words that “Biden supports Israel’s actions” pure sewage BS.

    Newsflash “Death”(lol) you can’t support Israel’s actions and tell them to stop acting.

    I know he really wants to stroke off both Jews and the Jew haters in his party at the same time, but it’s just not right that you’re holding the old man’s hands to help him do it. ROFL hell of an image though!
     
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    So, when you say "our interest", you mean we should support Israel assassinating Lebanese and Iranian leaders and then go to war if Iran retaliates? Is that what you hope your candidate would do, or is he saying that is what he would do?

    It looks like US and Israel both knew this barrage was coming after the assassinations. It was the price to pay for it, and fortunately no one was killed
     
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    Biden and others can and do support Israel's right to defend itself against Hezbollah, Iran and Hamas and also call on Hezbollah, Iran and Hamas with Israel to step down.

    The fact your brain can't see the difference between the two does not mean they do not co-exist and do not contradict each other.
     
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    Your comments are not accurate. The leaders of Hezbollah lead a terrorist organization that holds Lebanon hostage it is not the state so do not refer to Hezbollah as Lebanon's leaders. It is not. It is a terrorist unit that supports only its goals not the laws of Lebanon.

    As for the "leader" of Iran, Netanyahu has never asked Biden or Trump or anyone to go to war in Iran once it kills its Ayatollah. That is absolute bullshit. The US, France, and other countries have had their ships attacked by the Houthi who are armed and equipped by Iran so their issues with Iran are as a result of that.

    Netanyahu pointed out to the US and world that if Iran gets a nuclear weapon its most likely to use it against Israel. It has never expected anyone to defend it. When it has spoken to Nato countries, the UN or the US it points out Iran getting a nuclear weapon is a danger to the world because Israel would have no choice but to shoot back causing unintended global consequences.

    Find one speech by Netanyahu asking the US to support it assassinating the leader of Iran and provide it.
     
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    I have never written on this or any board that the US let alone Biden must agree and hold Israel's hand. Provide one post. In fact my position has been consistent that any US President including Biden can disagree with Israel and not necessarily be anti Israel. Stop trying to misrepresent what I said. Either read what I say or move on.

    Next in regards to your masturbatory reference-get it clear both Harris and Trump have to speak to Jewish, Palestinian ethnic Americans and Americans who are anti and pro Israel. Don't pretend its only Harris who has this issue of trying to address conflicting views in her potential supporters.

    How you even try that when half the Republican party is up in arms about Trump is a joke.
     
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    Yes, if those leaders are actively trying to kill their citizens they have all the right in the world to kill them.

    If Trump was in office there would be dead Iranian leaders body parts scattered across tarmacs. The weak policies of this administration is exactly what’s causing the escalation.

    Trump got Middle East peace agreements signed, this administration is causing the Middle East to implode. Maybe that big stick works better than these cowards realize.
     
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    Yeah, right. Trump is a keyboard warrior and always has been. He does his "fighting" on a smartphone from the golf course.

    I might as well point out also that this imagined tough-guy response by hypothetical president Trump today would be in total opposition to his boasts of not getting us involved in armed conflicts. You can't have our military attacking Iranian leaders as you describe and not basically have us at war with Iran, which would also make for quite an economic mess due to disruptions in oil and other trade.
     
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    During Trump he killed an Iranian general just for thinking about attacking us and our interests in the area. The result ended with Middle East peace agreements and Iran shooting down their own airliner in fear of more Trump attacks.

    Biden/Harris policy of hide from anyone that launches a missile or attacks an ally is causing the Middle East to implode. It is ending in escalation of not just one Iranian attack but a second doubled in magnitude. It has led to sympathizers of groups who are terrorists. It’s sickening how pathetic this administration is.

    maybe that big stick works better than cowardly democrats realize.

    Two very different tactics with two very different outcomes. Trumps outcome was way better.

    as Ronald Reagan would say…

    "If it takes a bloodbath, let's get it over with. No more appeasement."
     
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    I said they are a terrorist organization and a political party, so they are part of the legislative process in Lebanon.

    As I said, I am not sold on the "holding Lebanon hostage" argument.
     
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    They launched missiles at our servicemen and women in Iraq in retaliation, too, at which point Trump did nothing despite the injuries many received from that. It also made the Iraqis pretty angry, as I recall.

    As for appeasement, it doesn't get more appeasing than exchanging love letters with a dictator and saluting his general or standing beside another one and publicly siding with him on every issue the way Trump did with Kim Jong-un and Putin, respectively.

    Your imagined version of Trump and his "leadership" is a far cry from the reality, just as your characterization of this administration's response to attacks is total fiction. We're not "hiding" at all with additional ships having been sent, attacks on the Houthis having been conducted and active defense of Israel against these drone/missile attacks by Iran having also been conducted more than once.
     
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    First it was "us" and not it's "them". Hard to keep track

    So, he will take us to war. Good to know. Not that I was going to vote for him anyway, but it's good to know the dangers of doing that.
     
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    They were so scared of an attack they attacked themselves. Pretty effective warfare if you ask me. Why retaliate when they do it themselves? The fact is trumps aggression led to peace agreements in the Middle East. Biden’s cowardice has led to the Middle East imploding. The results speak for themselves.

    The rest of your post is off topic and not worth mentioning.
     
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    Yeah bro “you can defend yourself just only with a shield never a sword”. That’s some sick insight you’re bringing to the table there!
     
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    Get it clear—-Biden hand jobbing others is not masturbatory. Common “death” you need to learn a bit more about life. Lol!
     
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    Trump as a RINO has the luxury of being able to side with Israel in word and deed without too much concern, whereas Biden and Harris have a lot of dopes on the left contend with, forcing them to walk a finer line where support for Israel is concerned. But Biden/Harris support Israel where and when it counts, so what's the issue? There is none.
     
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    To prevent two-state solution, Israel GAVE money to Hamas for years to be a thorn in the side of PLO and Abbas. Israel brought this on themselves as they continue to slaughter and carpet bomb civilians. Amazing how Israel can get away with using their own citizens as human shields, again, but this time by placing their military command centers in large population centers.
     
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    If what is said on the world stage didn’t matter, nobody would say anything.

    But as it happens, it matters a great deal, impacting foreign relations and domestic politics both which can, in turn, affect policy.

    Indeed, Biden has slow walked aid to Israel, so the pandering has taken on more than just verbal.
     
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    Israel has what it needs to defend itself. It evidently even has what it needs to go on the offensive in Lebanon. I also hear there are preparations to station more US troops in the region.

    Biden/Harris can simply never please (R) people. Nothing they say or do ever could, because party affiliation has become a matter of personal identity and ideology for these people, to the point where policy and plain facts no longer matter to them.
     
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    That's an ironic statement considering Iran just launched 100 missiles at another country.

    Was THAT not war mongering? Ans is the response not defense?

    Seems you got things a bit backwards.
     
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    Nonsense.

    The time for moral considerations is long past, and the war already started. And it wasn't started by Israel.
     
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    Somehow every conflict is the fault of the US and Israel, isn't it? It's never the terrorists or the militant, aggressive fascists of the world. It's always the democratic countries defending themselves or aiding other democratic countries in their defense.
     
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