Is Fauci the Patron Saint of health or the Antichrist of a worldwide plague?

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  1. Tahuyaman

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    You post the dumbest comments.
     
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    Read my post. It is easily proven that he did not have five friends or family members who died from the vaccine. That is mathematically impossible. I know for a fact it's a lie.

    See, that's what math does for you.

    Precisely.
     
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    You are likely unaware of the best method to prevent becoming infected with SARS-CoV-2. It’s not being around people who are or may be infected themselves. It’s called social distancing and sometimes self quarantine. I have had very little need of a mask because I was aware of a much better approach to dealing with a pandemic. Again, way ahead of you, the CDC, and the vast majority of Americans.

    Cloth masks are recommended because prevention of infection is not the top priority of public health officials. There are plenty of N95 masks that we could use them once and dispose of them. Or we could do what healthcare professionals did for months when they could not get enough. Even the very simple method of rotating masks using a different one each day is effective. Here is some more information on re-using N95 masks.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar...ext=N95 Masks Can be Rotated,and 40% humidity.

    However, the above information is unnecessary because there is no shortage of N95 masks. American producers of them are going bankrupt because the government asked them to produce masks but now will not recommend them to the public. Remember, the reason the CDC and Fauci recommended against them for over a year was because they claimed they were in short supply. There has never been a single study showing cloth masks are better for the public than N95s. Not one. Well except for the one you tried to link to that was retracted. LOL

    There is no reason the average American can’t use disposable N95’s. They are using disposable low grade surgical masks like they are the best thing since sliced bread. Instead they could be wearing much better protection like European and Asian countries are supplying their citizens.

    I find it amusing people like you believed in early 2020 that you shouldn’t have N95 masks because we were saving the best for healthcare workers. Now that N95s are available all over the place and manufacturers are overwhelmed with unsold masks you believe the lie cloth masks are better. And still, healthcare workers are using N95’s.

    Americans are infected at higher rates than Asian and European countries using real masks and you still think the CDC is the cat’s meow.
     
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    I understand the CDC has access to the best information. I point that out often. They just misuse it. We had the same evidence masks are effective mitigation tools in March 2020 when your experts told you masks don’t work and weren’t needed as we did in April of 2020 when they were finally recommended. They had good information they just misused it. When Fauci said cloth masks were as good as N95’s in July 2020 he had information to the contrary but he lied anyway. For months after N95’s were piling up on shelves Fauci and the CDC continued to lie to you and tell you masks were in short supply.

    Appealing to the authority of people who don’t care about your health can get you killed my friend. It’s not a political game to me. Making it a political game has killed many on both sides of the political aisle. Don’t let it kill you. Think for yourself. You will someday be glad you did. I thought for myself and was never in ANY danger from Covid I did not consciously choose to put myself in. It was nice and I’m thankful I figured it out before the pandemic. Hopefully you and others do at some point. I reiterate, you will be glad in the long run.
     
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    That's what I said. If someone claims to know five people who died from the vaccine, they are lying.
     
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    Ha ha....that’s funny. All the excuses to not even mask up and you’re suddenly an expert on masks.
    I suppose you’re ( and Tucker) smarter then every medical research facility in the US......too. Amazing. So you’re in favor of “ social distancing” which makes schooling and the economy and the work place impossible to recover. I figured. You don’t even use n95 masks yourself. They are too difficult to maintain and to wear for the very people most at risk. They require fitting to be practical and steam cleaning and replacement. Even double cloth masks can have better filtration and only require common washing’s. You don’t even know what effectiveness entails
     
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    The cdc seems to be head and shoulders over your recommendations.....which is to wear nothing.
     
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    Have-no idea what your point is, other then to support the cdc.
     
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    Conservatives have a penchant for dumb comments. They claim to know more then everyone else.
     
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    No I’m not smarter. I’m just more honest and care more about people. I’m one of a very few PF members who is not anti mask. I most certainly use and recommend proper masks in appropriate settings.

    Your own link you provided debunked your erroneous claim double cloth masks have better filtration that N95’s.

    I make no excuses to not mask up. Never have and never will. But I will continue to recommend quality masks where appropriate and where they will do the most to protect individuals and society.

    Again, there is no need to wear an inferior cloth mask because disposable N95 masks are readily available even though the people you listen to say they are not. It’s a lie that puts all those who need masks in danger they do not need to be in.
     
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    The only time I recommend no mask is when social distancing is being utilized. Try again. Or quote where I’ve ever recommended against mask usage. Go….
     
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    Have you ever actually addressed any topic with substantive comments.
     
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    The only person in the wrong about this virus was Trump. He said the virus was a hoax. I knew that sooner or later mankind would come under biological attack from some kind of "bug". Fauci had a job to do and did it even in defiance of a President.
     
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    You claim to be smarter then the cdc and every medical research facility that provides them with information. I’d call that pretty weird. This is the same group that still doesn’t believe in man made climate change which literally, every other country is the world does. But you’re special.
     
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    To whom ? You ? It’s a lost cause. You’re non science Tuckerism posts have no validity.
     
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    It’s ridiculous to promote social distancing alone in the highly contagious new strains in environments like schools, offices , hospitals and restaurants when people are contracting the virus at much higher rates then before. The new variants require masking in nearly all public situations. Masking is recommended to save lives of non vaccinated people’s who themselves are the primary reason for the new variants. The only solution is masking in public and the most effective masking is what’s recommended by the CDC. Read it.

    No, you aren’t smarter then medical science.....
     
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    That’s hilarious. You say you’re promoting masking yet you don’t use them yourself . It’s like you set yourself above your own advice. You want everyone else to mask up and save your ass so you don’t have to. That’s hilarious. Some now you’re still claiming you know more then literally every expert in the medical field. You must live in the woods. Hiding behind the “social distance” argument is a fallacy. Seriously, do you even know what social distance entails with new variants. The higher rate of contagious variants make the old social distancing rules obsolete. But conservatives are special ?
     
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    just for everyone else so you don’t have to......that seems to be the general idea of most of the people on ventilators.
     
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    Wow. You’d have to be a walking testing lab. You know for a fact which people are contagious and which people aren’t. Amazing.

    Many hospitals are filled with people who think they are smarter then anyone else.
     
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    You aren’t reading my posts. I don’t go to those places. That’s the point. Anyone going to a restaurant masked or not is a fool if they don’t want Covid delta variant.

    I have never recommended using social distancing as a substitute for masking in public places. Please quote me doing so or get someone to read my posts to you.
     
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    Absolutely not. I recommend masks for people who do not have the option of self quarantine. I did not self quarantine fir my own benefit only. I was prepared to self quarantine so that I was never a danger to anyone else and so I was not using resources others needed. Because I self quarantined there was a little more toilet paper, a little more hand sanitizer, a little more food, and a little more PPE available for everyone else. That’s what responsible people do Dagosa. They are prepared for things like pandemics so their actions are not reactive and fear driven.

    I clearly stated I use masks when appropriate. But masking is silly when you are not ever within a half mile of another human not also self quarantined. This is very simple epidemiology my friend. It’s the most effective mitigation when done correctly. Remember when the CDC recommended lockdowns and stay at home orders? Why do you think they did that? LOL
     
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    I do know who may be contagious and who is not. People who are gallivanting around in public either masked or unmasked could be contagious. People who self quarantine can not be contagious because they have not been exposed to the pathogen. I use and have used quarantine in my line of work for over 20 years successfully to prevent disease and stop the spread of respiratory, gastrointestinal and ocular disease in populations.

    Again, this is very simple and is the epidemiological principle behind stay at home orders and lockdowns. It’s how Australia has kept a lid on this thing for most of the pandemic. I’m gobsmacked the pandemic is nearing two years and you have never heard of quarantine and why it is the most effective mitigation for infectious disease. Why do you think the CDC recommends quarantine for positive testing individuals? Surely you have heard of this?

    Dagosa, this is why the US has the most pathetic outcome of first world nations with Covid. Because people like you took advice from people who don’t care about you. They left you out in the cold. If you do not understand quarantine in the context of infectious disease your sources of information and advice on Covid are appallingly inadequate. People who think critically instead of appealing to authority see this.
     
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    What?
     
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    It’s laughable because you talk like you know who is infected and who is not. Just the ideas that you refused to mask anytime and will never mask is pretty unscientific and uninformed……you don’t have a clue. But, just like deniers of man made climate change, they pretend they know everything..

    it has a pathetic outcome because of Trump who allowed the disbanding of the pandemic task force and all the other deniers who pretended it would be gone in spring.
     
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