Is it possible to have a civil discussion about racists supporting Trump?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Certainly. It may be that they are all dazzled by his coiffure, but when they issue such encomiums as, ""Voting for these people, voting against Donald Trump at this point, is really treason to your heritage! ... He's meant a lot for the human rights of European-Americans!" one deduces a decidedly different allure.
     
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    This is a recurring theme.

    When cornered with drumpf's stupidity and/or ignorance the apologists on the right can only puppet a few words. Usually it begins with something like , "b bu but Hillary." They don't even attempt to defend what drump says anymore because they don't care. His marketing has been so effective on the weak minded that he could literally strangle a mexican child on fox news and still rate highly among right wingers. His campaign has never been about substance or facts. Why start now?

    You will always find deflections towards hillary/some left wing boogieman instead of defense of trump's words/actions because there is no logical defense to a man that defies logic.
     
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    Stop it, ask Hillary. Dave duke disavowed the kkk it's all good.
     
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    Much like your opinion. Only difference is I came by mine honestly, you have yours spoon fed by the media.
     
  5. Len

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    Like I said I do not think they are rabid racists, but they do harbor racist tendencies.
    Also they are more the 'go along to get along' types and if the hard core racists take over for the right, which won't be hard to do, then they will gladly don the brown shirts and send out a stiff right arm in salute.
     
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    So deflection is the only thing you've got?
     
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    Pointing out that all sorts of muslim, black, hispanic, marxist, anarchist radicals, all sorts of extremist organizations like the Black Panthers, CAIR, ANSWER, BLM etc are Hillary voters is not a deflection, it is absolutely relevant to this thread.

    PS Neither Obama, nor Clinton, nor Sanders have repudiated the violent thugs attacking peaceful Trump supporters and disrupting peaceful political rallies on their behalf.
     
  8. little voice

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    The answer to your question
    No you cannot have a civil discussion about racists supporting Trump
    a large amount of Donald trump supporters come form
    the white supremacist movement
    That is why Donald trump has amazed the political experts

    Many people who did not vote registered as republicans and voted for Donald trump
    Don black the owner of storm front web site stated
    Donald trump has energized the white supremacist movement like no other candidate cents Barry Goldwater

    If you go on you tube and listened to storm front radio you will find the entire white supremacist movement is totally in support of Donald trump
     
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    In your mind
    Discussing whether or not you can talk to a group of people about the ideology of some of the people they seem to agree with
    It is important to you that we start talking about a entirely different group of people

    Spoken like a true Donald trump supporter
     
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    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not really, because certain people insist on taking a tiny handful of wingnuts and trying to paint the entire (Trump) movement with one brush - but adamantly insist that the same can't be done for Democrats. Civil discussion isn't possible with people who insist on such double standards and making such uncivil characterizations of the huge swaths of supporters.

    Asking this is akin to asking, "can we have a civil discussion about how Sanders supporters are just a bunch of idiotic college kids who don't understand basic economics and lacked the common sense to not pay sticker price at an expensive private college for their GWS degree?" It starts the discussion in a clearly uncivil manner and answers itself with a no.
     
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    here's your real true racist, so let's talk honesty Natty Bimbo, her name is wall street Hillary sucking face with a ex KKK leader named Robert Byrd, WOW, hows that go, a picture's worth a thousand words?.
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    This is not what this loaded intellectually dishonest OP is about. "Are Trump supporters all kkk, nazis or anti-Semites?" is not a basis for a civilized discussion, it's an obvious and lame attempt at smear by association. And as I indicated in my previous post, the fact that "all sorts of Muslim, black, Hispanic, Marxist, anarchist radicals, all sorts of extremist organizations like the Black Panthers, CAIR, ANSWER, BLM etc are Hillary voters " is absolutely relevant in the context of this smear.
     
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    Well, there is an active attack by the left on being white, christian and on old fashioned American values. So if Trump isn't going to participate or pander to such a thing, then he is in essence a roadblock to the march of this shameless bigotry. How you can paint a bulwark against racism as somehow racist, is more a question of your stance than of Trumps or his supporters. I mean, one needn't be a racist to defend his race, anymore than one need be a murderer to defend his own life.
     
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    I think a civil discussion can happen, but you must point out that the KKK has also donated to Hillary Clinton. If we are going to dissect one candidate, only fair to do it with the other.
     
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    wow
    You have a reading disability
    Nowhere in the opening post does it even imply that all Donald trump supporters are members of those groups
    In fact just the opposite is true
    You need to read a little slower maybe you can understand what the opening post as saying
    He is implying that you cannot have a true an honest discussion with Donald trump supporters about the the Nazis and KKK members in their midst

    Unfortunately posters like you are proving that his implications true
     
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    I suspect that, in some cases, they become upset at its being mentioned and desperately try to divert the topic to other candidates and issues rather than honestly acknowledge it because they are uncomfortable with sharing their enthusiasm with the neo-nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists who are on record as supporting Trump because they see him as someone who will further their racist agenda.

    They are troubled by their association with those elements.
     
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    No, I think it's You that have a reading disability, Natty Bimbo has a track record of race batting and advertising his racist groups, Natty's also of Mexican heritage and rabidly anti Trump for obvious reasons. so it's a win/win for him to continuously post crap like this, it's sad really.
     
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    If Trump fans are upset whenever his endorsements from neo-nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists are acknowledged, they can alway run away from the topic if they feel they need to, but, when any presidential candidate receives such support, I think that it is a legitimate one for discussion, and the desperate attempts to divert attention elsewhere are rather pathetic.





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    Proof?

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    I hope they are troubled by it, they should be, but something tells me they secretly agree with them.

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    Yes, ONE person from the KKK has done that....one.
    You feel better now?

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    Proof?
     
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    So can we agree then that the overwhelming majority of Trump supporters are hard working, peaceful Americans who have absolutely nothing in common with KKK, Nazis, Jew-haters and the OP does not try to imply that any association between the Trump campaign and those despicable organizations exist? Especially in light of equally despicable organizations like CAIR, La Raza, ANSWER, and violent marxist and anarchist gangs supporting Hillary/Sanders and disrupting peaceful political rallies on their behalf. Right?
     
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    They seem desperate to avoid honestly confronting Trump's documented support by neo-nazis, skinheads, and white supremacists.

    That would seem to indicate that they would rather not openly associate themselves with such a repugnant element, and/or they recognize that making the American public aware of such support is not helpful in a democratic election, so would rather suppress such an awareness.
     
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    Please document whoever you imagine are the attackers and what, precisely, they are attacking.

    So many that are alienated from America are in a constant tizzy over their nebulous "left!, and it would be nice to identify these individuals and organizations.

    Meanwhile, honestly acknowledging Trump's documented racist support is the topic here.
     
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    14,035 post, you are a veteran political plant, no one could be this nuts or consistent, you guys must be really scared of Trump aren't you?, well you should be, because Hillary's going to lose. this smear tactic will not work in the long run. watch what happens once the main focus turns to wall street Hillary, DNC, and Debbie Wassermann Schulz. the democratic base will be smacking themselves in the head for being conned all these years by wall street special interest and big pharma. they are beginning to sense something now.
     
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    I would not know whether you can say the majority of Donald trump supporters
    But I do know that the vast majority of white supremacist movement are Donald trump supporters
    What I would agree with you on that not all Donald trump supporters are racists
    I happen to know two couples that would not even associated with a person that is racist
    Both couples are voting for Donald trump
     
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    Predictably you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. At least you are not denying that the Democrats Hillary and Sanders enjoy the support of black racists, hispanic militants, muslim fundamentalists, horrible radical violent organizations like CAIR, ANSWER, BLM, the Black Panthers, La Raza, all sorts of violent marxist and anarchist extremists.

    And the Democrats clearly welcome that support given that they have not repudiated it, nor have they repudiated violence and attempts to shut down debate in this country by these radical organizations on behalf of Hillary and Bernie. Needless to say not every one of their supporters is a violent radical. I know at least a few who are still peaceful.
     

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