Is Neo[Atheism] a Rational Religion?

You need to recognize that if Gods exist or not isn't the same question as if you believe Gods exist or not. You don't seem to be able or willing to do that.

I think he is pretending to not understand the difference between reality and belief about reality.

But it really isn't easy to tell with him. He makes everything as cryptic as possible so he doesn't have to take any consistent position we can tie him to, so he doesn't risk being wrong about anything. It's an integral part of Kokopuffery. He needs to be right and he needs you to be wrong, regardless of what you actually say.

 

You aren't making sense. You're saying that God sent Prophets to tell the unbelievers to repent. And that he also told the unbelievers to murder the Prophets. And the same with his only begotten Son? When I said your post was counter intuitive I was being kind. Your post was void of reason.

 

No, I'm saying that, according to the Bible, God ordered people to commit murder. He ordered people to murder blasphemers. He ordered them to murder apostates. Hell, he even ordered them to murder children because of that their ancestors had done. This isn't a complicated concept.

 

According to the story he demanded a man sacrifice his son, and another his daughter, and he himself flooded the world killing almost the entire human population. What a great guy eh?

 

That is not the gospel of Jesus Christ. Whatever God had his people do and the circumstances in which they happened six thousand years ago has no bearing on the matter. It may also be a matter of defense. One cannot say without knowing all the particulars. Suffice it to say that if something is Gods will, it is right. But the idea that it applies everywhere thru all time is your saying, not Gods. That said, there are tens of thousands of different Christian denominations, with different interpretations of the Bible. So say which one was ordered to kill unbelievers.

 

According to YOUR Bible, it's the same God. Some of this was cemented in laws that Jesus purportedly praised. Yes, it goes to the character of said proposed God. And even Paul said in the NT that "haters of God" are "deserving of death." A brief view of Christian history shows that this was the predominant approach for thousands upon thousands of years.

 

Yours is just another distorted secular interpretation of scripture to suit your own agenda.

 

It's literally what it says. What part of it do you deny?

 

The Bible doesn't talk. It is a record. I deny your interpretation of it and your mischaracterization of God, his will and his Gospel. You said that a board members religion murders unbelievers. And you've yet to prove it. Show me any Christian doctrine that tells us to murder unbelievers.

 

We can talk about the specific verses if you want, but they literally, LITERALLY say exactly what I told you.

No, I said a board member's religion has to at least argue that it USED to be okay (not just okay, but commanded) to murder unbelievers.

 

there you go folks right out of the Meathead dictionary of strawman arguments!

if you look in the Meathead dictionary we see that it's just A-OK ducky to substitute personal truth which in this case is stupidity as a valid response for a proposition. Then outrageously trying to validate that nonsense by claiming to be a logic teacher of all things, WOW! Anyone familiar with logic knows its the the of the proposition that is expected in the response not some mental truth claiming personal inabilities.

I can save everyone from wasting their time, just skip to the last 2 minutes of the video where she demonstrates this is an operation and shows you how to calculate using mathematical principles to demonstrate a proposition is impossible to obtain a truth value and is there fore indeterminate.

as if everyone didn't already know it surprise surprise the facts are contrary to meatheadism.

calculating a proposition to be indeterminate is 100% legal in the logic world on the other hand standing up and I mean you have no clue by responding I don't know to a proposition is logical bullshit because of proposition doesn't care how intelligent you are all it cares about is that a truth value is inserted by means of a response.

how about that bird, looks like you bought some worthless wooden nickels again.

what you think I'm the only one that's supposed to be answering questions on here, meantime you get a blank check to blather on aimlessly?

I told you I'm waiting for an answer from you are you hard of reading?

I don't have to claim that you're lying you prove it to everybody with your super strawman posts!

the latest is above where you tried to substitute Your Truth value for the truth value of the proposition and pretend it's legitimate logic I'm sorry what a ****ing joke. there's no logic teacher on the planet that would try to pull such a stunt and expect to actually get away with it!

one straw man after another that's not what it means, your crystal ball seems to be all smashed to hell since you get everything wrong. that's all you got left is strawman arguments because you made a giant BLUNDER and I busted you and you know it.

it means the logic you claim in your post as "valid" is over the top ridiculous stupidity.

pretending a logically calculated condition of indeterminacy is the same as the "I don't know" claim, claiming stupidity is a valid logical response is frankly hilarious!

you have no defense for your GARGANTUAN BLUNDER and you are so entrenched in denial all you have to defend yourself is throwing tons of **** at a PTFE coated wall! lol

which is totally false because all TRUE agnostics are truthful but then there's always the exception as I just demonstrated. You know the ones that are not trying to throw **** at the wall trying to cover for their BLUNDER.

and that's way too esoteric for this crowd lol

Never backtracked more fabrication.

another unquoted superstrawman from the Meathead dictionary.

anything goes once these guys are BUSTED down to their skinnies!

well I might play devil's advocate sometimes like I just did to find out if you had a legitimate case and since you've already dodged it twice you've proven to me you have nothing as usual but foaming at the mouth.

you do contradict yourself all the time as a matter of fact I've shown that how many times throughout this thread. your contradictions have nothing to do with me, it might have a lot to do with trolling but that would put it on you.

enlighten all of us what the difference is from a philosophical standpoint between reality and belief about reality

this ought to be good if he doesn't dodge it

dude you're talking about yardmeat not me there's over 500 posts of him dodging his BLUNDER.

yeah believe God's exist as in the proposition is pretty simple it's a psychological condition so you came up with a straw man to my original God exists proposition! superstrawman is a great teacher!

Superstraw is an integral part meatheadology, just like pejoratives and foaming at the mouth gas lighting is an integral part of birdbrainism

 

A prize to anyone who can figure out what the hell he is trying to say here.

You never answer questions on here. You don't even clarify what you yourself mean half the time. The rest of us have answered plenty of questions.

I may contradict myself. If I did contradict myself, one would be able to clearly and coherently show the contradiction, rather than blather on endlessly as you do. I would then address it.

Zero times. You have shown that zero times. What you have done is see us show your contradictions and then rather than attempt to explain them, try to pretend it's us and not you contradicting yourself.

Even if God doesn't exist, there are still plenty of people who believe God does exist. Are there not? The reality of if God exists or not isn't necessarily the same of what a person believes it to be.

Yes

No. The "Does God exist?" question is still there. It just isn't the same question as "Do you believe God exists?". Why is that so hard for you to acknowledge? And now could anybody take you seriously when you don't?

And why do you demand others answer the question "Does God exist?" if you yourself refuse to do so? Do you know the answer?

No, I don't think you do. Your honest response would be that you don't know, just like yardmeat. But you refuse to accept that response, so you can't be honest with yourself.

 

Does the literal text of the bible not count as Christian doctrine?

I think it's great that you ignore those parts of the text. Would you endorse omitting them from future printing of the bible?

 

I know of no doctrines in the Gospel of Jesus Christ or his Disciples that teach to murder unbelievers. In this evil world, where men return evil for evil for the cause of survival. Jesus did not. Instead he practiced what he preached, blessing and doing good to those who hated him. He poured out reason to others his whole life in words to their benefit. And in the end, after having put away his dignity, power, and glory, he poured out his life and died on the cross like a man. But then he took it up again, bringing to pass the power of the resurrection. He answered the demands of eternal law and justice with a perfect sacrifice. Unbelief murdered the Prophets, Jesus Christ and his Disciples. Unbelief murders everything good, like faith, hope and charity.

 

The Bible says, in the very least, it USED to be okay to do so, and not only okay but a divine command.

 

But it wasn't Jesus saying it, but the God elsewhere in the Bible. Jesus does say he brought the sword, and said he didn't come to undo what God said before... but Jesus himself wasn't a warlord like Mohamed or otherwise preaching lot of hate or murderous doctrine. So I can see how one could claim to follow Jesus and not God. Gnoticism comes to mind, some forms of which claim God of the old testament and Jesus are not the same being and not on the same side.

Maybe that's where Injeun is coming from?

 

Yes and no. Same God but different circumstance and purpose. The Jews had ceased to believe and follow him. So they fell into spiritual darkness, wickedness, and subjection. Gods purpose then became to show them how to free themselves from their fallen natures. And to show all men the way. It is a realignment. But instead of fitting them out for life, he fitted them and us out for eternity. I don't understand Gods purposes. But I don't question it. I have nothing but reverence for God. He is always way ahead of us.

 

So you think the old testament God commanding what yardmeat notes he commanded, and it does say he did in the text, was appropriate and good for them at that time, but not for us today?

 

Anyone who understands that it is wrong to murder a child for the crimes of their ancestors, and that it always has been, is morally and intellectually superior to your God. Anyone who supports freedom of religion is morally and intellectually superior to your God.

 

I don't know what YM was referring to. But I can imagine that the welfare of Gods people was important to God. And if he told them to annihilate a particular enemy, then they obviously deserved it.

 

Everyone who has actually read the Bible knows about this ****. But thank you for confirming what I was saying from the beginning: that your religions says that it at least USED to be okay to murder people for blasphemy and apostacy. Hell, YOU PERSONALLY have defended fates worse than death for people who say words that offend you.

 

I've no clue what you're talking about. From my perspective you erringly refer to accountability to God as a religion or fantasy. To me it is fact or reality. BTW, our freedom and equality spring from the God you seemingly despise. Why do you harbor such knee jerk animosity. Where does that spirit come from. Do you hate values, standards, laws and justice? Surely accountability is a human concept as well.

 

All you are doing is confessing that you have either never read the Bible or that you feel the God of the OT is a separate, false God. No, unlike your God, I don't hate values, standards, laws, or justice. Unlike your God, I'd never support infanticide or use execution or eternal torture to punish thought crimes.

According to your God, we HAVE no freedom or equality. Not if your God is the God of the Bible. But maybe your are a Marcionite or something. That would be interesting.

 

I also stand up for our necessary killing of Germans and Japanese in WW2, as well as ISIS in the middle east, and serial killers here in the US. We can do these things because we operate with clear heads, hearts and consciences, in that we have wrung out justice to the umpteenth degree in the quest for peace. As for God, everything he does is justified. One would have to be an idiot to say otherwise. He is perfect. Why in the world would you presume that inner tribal dynamics of an ancient Jewish tribe in the middle east that predate Jesus by four thousand years is somehow an unvarying blueprint for the conduct of all future mankind. God will bring about his purposes regardless of what you, I, or anyone, thinks, does, or says.

 

Because he says so? Because might makes right?

Sounds like the ultimate in authoritarianism to me.