Is the U.S. helping the people of Ukraine?

Generally speaking... whatever benefits the leadership of The Ukraine.... does NOT benefit the common people of the Ukraine...... but I may be biased.......

 

It's the same here. The weapons makers have lobbyists who instruct members of Congress to vote for war.

So the govt prints more money, and the dollar devalues a bit, and the public isn't happy, but the weapons makers get rich.

This endless steam of post WW2 wars make the 'defense' industry rich and the public poor.

 

I totally agree with you.........

and you are certainly on the same page as President Eisenhower.......



Eisenhower even knew about the truth about the UFO phenomena........ not all Presidents were fully briefed on that topic...... word has it that only four were........


http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/could-this-ufo-have-been-made-in-america.552308/


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Could the January 2011 Temple Mount UFO event have used USA technology/

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for example?

 

Taliban Agrees to Surrender Kandahar

https://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=80347&page=1
That was two months after the start of the war in Afghanistan. I recall later there was also an offer to also surrender Osama bin Laden.

I have heard others use the term 'perpetual wars' for wars that seem to last a very long time.

 

If the matter in question was 'lobbyists who instruct members of Congress to vote for war'

I got the impression that a powerful lobby got all 98 members of the Senate present to vote for the war in Afghanistan, and all but one member of the house also to vote for war.

The only one who objected did so pointing out problems with the way the legislation had been written, not that we should not go to war.

 

Exactly! If the US would let Russia to conquer Ukraine, we would have - as Chamberlain once said - Peace of Our Time!

 

We did 8 years of poking the bear in Ukraine, until Joe Biden and the democrats did what the 'Defense Industry' wanted and sent a lot more weapons over,

then we poked the bear hard enough to get a result.

It was good for our weapons industry, but the point of this thread is if anyone cared about those who lived in the Ukraine, it certainly didn't do any of them any good.

 

Yes - the military complex doesn't care it their arms will help to defend freedom or arm the next European Hitler.
I also agree that Trump would never send arms to Ukraine - he would sell Ukraine the same way he sold Kurds.
As you probably know Russia is not a democracy and all messages sent by Russian official media are approved by Putin.
Here is the message approved by President Putin:
https://newsrnd.com/news/2023-02-15...y-a-russian-"territory"-again.Hkzu1zdqpi.html

https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/02/...sists-his-forces-will-eventually-take-poland/

Do you want to Make Russia Great Again? Demand that Biden will stop supporting Ukraine.

 

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My go to answer for these type of questions is instead of asking a primarily American audience why not ask Ukrainians? I mean Ukrainians would know better than anyone if the aid is benefiting them. All we really have to go by is they seem appreciative of the aid. It is like asking the person who gave a Christmas present if the recipient enjoyed the gift when the recipient is readily available.

For example you can just post your question on the subreddit "Welcome to Ukraine - Ласкаво просимо в Україну!". You can even post in the Ukraine language if you are worried about language difficulties.

When you post the question here many will think you are trolling or just trying to spread propaganda for Putin.

 

If by 'Ukraine' you are using the region within the geographical boundaries that existed prior to the coup referred to as the 'Maidan Uprising',
then 50% are often referred to as 'Ukrainian-speaking', so asking the question in Ukrainian could get an answer disproportionately from the western half of the country.

It would also be an error to assume people in a war zone will answer without a thought for their own safety
or that those with Internet access are representative of the nation as a whole.

 

The data I used was the number of people leaving the country,
and consider the large exodus to indicate that shipping large quantities of weapons to one-half of the conflict,
was a bad idea.

 

Just because I do not agree with spending a fortune on weapons, to send into a war zone, does not mean I am working for Mohandas Gandhi, or the Quakers, or anybody else.

 

True - just because you do not agree with spending a fortune on helping an aggression victim, it means you are paid/unpaid troll of an aggressor. We have the right not to care for victims - that same as in 1938 nobody wanted to spent a fortune to helping Czechoslovakia.

 

No. They're using the Ukrainian people as fodder. Putin was evil in invading Ukraine and played into the hands of Biden, Blinken and Nuland (who supported the coup in 2014) The goal in Ukraine if they prevail is to privatize everything which will hurt Ukraine as much as privatization did to Russia in the nineties.