Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza

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  1. Bob Newhart

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    I'll be surprised if Net doesn't invade Rafah and quits now. Pleasantly surprised, but surprised.
     
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    We still have to see how things unfold.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news.../07/israel-war-news-updates-gaza/73235200007/
    Israel withdraws most offensive troops from Gaza; Hamas, Israel to engage in talks
     
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    Islamic terrorists in Gaza have started executing hostages again. No ceasefire until all hostages are released. Period.
     
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    Netanyahu has been waiting since 1973 for the opportunity October 7th has presented; he's unlikely to surprise anyone with his responses:

    https://theintercept.com/2024/02/07/gaza-israel-netanyahu-propaganda-lies-palestinians/

    "Just as the Bush administration exploited the 9/11 attacks to justify a sweeping war in which it declared the world a battlefield, Netanyahu is using the horrors of October 7 to wage the crusade he’s been preparing for his entire political career.

    "With his grip on power fading last fall, the October 7 attacks provided him with just the opportunity he needed, and he hitched his political survival to the war on Gaza and what could be his last chance to eliminate Israel’s Palestinian problem once and for all.

    "In that sense, Bibi was saved by Hamas."
     
  5. Jack Hays

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    The foolishness of Hamas on 7 October was simply the most recent in a decades-long history of poor choices made by the Palestinians, going back to 1948.
     
  6. Turin

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    So by that line of thinking, I should be allowed to go wipe out the North Senegalese ( who still live as a hunter / gatherer uncontacted tribe ) who kill all outside visitors.

    It would be much better to just kill them off to make better use of the lands they live on.

    By that line of thinking anyways.
     
  7. Jack Hays

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    Observation is not advocacy.
     
  8. Turin

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    I understand, but you still offered a qualifying justification. By that qualifier. my actions would be justified. certainly immoral of course. But justified.
     
  9. Jack Hays

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    No country in the world today is governed or even largely populated by those who originally populated or possessed it. The process needs no justification and includes no moral metric.
     
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    On this I disagree. wiping out technologically inferior cultures in order to take their stuff is certainly immoral. And yes, history is filled with such incidents.
     
  11. Jack Hays

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    The phenomenon dates back long before anything we would call technology. In origin it was simply about land and hunting grounds.
     
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    Again you try deflect from your previous words of hatred against Jews and now you use the idiotic attempt to describe Palestinians as semites-an exercise people like you throw out to try justify being anti Jewish by making the moronic argument that if Palestinians are semites and they/you only hate Jews, they/you aren't anti-semitic so you can continue to be hateful against Jews.

    What a pathetic exercise and your attempt to distance yourself from your hatred pretending you only expressed hatred for Netanyahu is a joke and cowardly.

    Get it clear, using the term "semite" to describe race, culture, ethnicity ethnic is obsolete.

    No one uses it that way except anti-semites like you whotry play semantics to deflect from their hateful words against Jews.

    The word semite was once was used to include Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians. It was never used to describe the ethnicity of a Palestinian Muslim who chose the term "Arab".

    Palestinians today describe themselves as Muslim, Arab or Palestinian not semite they never used that term you do.

    For that matter we Jews do not describe ourselves to be semites.

    We describe ourselves as Jewish (and that could mean we are followers of Judaism or simply we are descendants of the Hebrews) . Todaywhen historians and linguists use the term semite they refer to specific language groups nothing else.

    Next the term "anti-semite" NOT semite, is used to describe being hateful of Jews. No one uses the word Jewphobic. Palestinians deliberately will not use the term anti semite to describe hatred of themselves and either use the term anti-Palestinian or Islamophobic.

    You support Hamas as a pro Russian ally in the Middle East. You could careless about Palestinians.You wouldn't know a Palestinian from a Jew let alone an Israeli let alone a Muslim or Christian.
     

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    So a Review for U :)


    ask YOURSELF
    WHY ? . would anybody voluntarily agree to have their Land - Partitioned,
    by what THEY perceived to be a clique of thuggish European Imperialists?.

    W
    ith the better half of that Land, to be given out right, to a tight, insular
    group of European Colonial Immigrants WHO were a persecuted minority
    .............................. and the Victims of a recent European GENOCIDAL War

    Pray Tell
    What part of the concepts of RIGHT & WRONG is it that YOU so obviously
    fail to understand
    ?- Do YOU not realize that in Moral Human Company
    it is considered a reprehensible and EVIL Injustice to cease another's Land
    ..... and then to make of THEM a third class in the Apartheid State that YOU
    .............................................................................................. then have to establish ?

    What part of the concepts of .RIGHT & WRONG . so escapes YOU that YOU
    would offer to us here, Absurd Justifications, Rationalization & Apology
    .............................. to the GENOCIDAL Atrocities now taking place in Gaza ?

    For
    what is taking place in Gaza is recognized - in any Moral Human Company
    as Theft, Murder and Brutality and is DECIDEDLY perceived to be WRONG

    And then to blame the Victim for the Calamity that is forced upon them.
    ..................................................................... How in HELL do YOU Stomach IT ? [​IMG]
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    In negotiations yesterday and today, Israel is proposing to continue the slaughter after a short ceasefire where they would get all their hostages back.

    Then, when Israel is satisfied with the slaughter and destruction they carry out after the ceasefire, they say they will rule Gaza like they do West Bank - a style of rule that is itself a MAJOR problem, as it offers zero representation and invites Israeli colonization.

    There is not even one tiny part of that could possibly be acceptable to Gaza.

    I don't care what you want to call yourself.

    This situation is NOT tolerable. Genocide is not tolerable. Colonization by force is illegal.

    Hamas has shown a far more acceptable direction in these negotiations.
     
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    In 1948 the Israelis agreed to partition. The Palestinians did not. End of story.
     
  17. Jack Hays

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    The Palestinians are the authors of their calamity.
     
  18. Jack Hays

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    The Palestinians long ago forfeited (by aggression and terrorism) any right to claim the status of victim. They are the authors of their own calamity.
     
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    Hamas is finished.
    Why Israelis Are So Happy

    Gil Troy, Wall Street Journal

    ". . . Israelis didn’t seek this war—but when attacked, they unleashed a patriotism, idealism, self-sacrifice and grit that today’s regressive progressives scorn. Israelis’ resilience, duty and love of life explain how this often polarized and besieged society remains such a happy place. Rather than demonize these heroes, protesters could learn from Israelis about the art of living—not only for their sake but for America’s too."
     
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    This doesn't have anything to do with "victim".

    It has to do with Israel's extreme criminality. And, Israel is the author of that.
     
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    There is good evidence that Israel DID want this war.

    And, your guess that "Hamas is finished" is just plain false.
     
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    By 1948 the Jews were already expelling Indigenous Palestinians from their homes, farms, and businesses. This deliberate pattern of ethnic cleansing was the result of official Zionist policy going back to 1937

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Dalet

    "Plan Dalet
    (Hebrew: תוכנית ד', Tokhnit dalet "Plan D") was a Zionist military plan executed in the civil war phase of the 1948 Palestine war for the conquest of territory in Mandatory Palestine in preparation for the establishment of a Jewish state..."

    "In the summer of 1937, according to the official history of the Haganah, the commander of their forces in the Tel Aviv area, Elimelech Slikowitz ('Avnir') received an order from Ben-Gurion. Ben-Gurion, anticipating an eventual British withdrawal from the country after the Peel Report, asked Slikowitz to prepare a plan for the military conquest of the whole of Palestine."
     
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    This is good and happy news but, IDF is still exterminating Children as collective punishment for Hamas dirty deeds. The Israeli Crime against humanity should not go unpunished .. The Irish delegation to the UN say "The Hague is too good for Bibi" and I agree .. Genocide Joe should go there too ..
     
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    It is no crime to defend one's country against aggression and terrorism.
     
  25. Jack Hays

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    I doubt the Israelis would have been so completely by surprise if they had wanted the war.
     

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