Israelis vilified for lack of "sympathy" for Hamas savages

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  1. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    Do you miss the camps?
     
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    This post is beyond belief in its depravity.
     
  3. JCS

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    You didn't answer my earlier questions.

    Do you believe Native Americans who fought against the European colonizers were terrorists?

    Do you believe the people of India who fought against the British occupiers were terrorists?
     
  4. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    I'm not going to entertain your straw arguments. Sorry.
     
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    Because it would expose your erroneous logic.
     
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    Your erroneous logic is exposed by your attempt to change the subject
     
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    Although I don't think Eleuthra's statement is true, its depravity is less so than the horrific campaign of terror and slaughter that Bibi is inflicting on innocents right now. Ten times worse than 9/11.
     
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    Answer the two questions I asked and you'll see that it has everything to do with the subject.
     
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    Many humans are like you are--unable to confront the painful truth. They see any fact that contradicts their worldview as being depraved. Pity, but that's life. :peace:
     
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    Except there's are two problems with your position: (1) Hamas is not a "terrorist" organization. The Israeli govt is both the invader & the terrorist. And (2) opposing the Israeli govt is not being "anti-semitic." Go look up the definition of "Semitic."

    Remember, might does not make right.
     
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    Fake News.

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    Fake News. Gaza invade Israel

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  13. JCS

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    They're right - Hamas is & stands for the Islamic RESISTANCE Movement - like I've been saying all along.

    Gaza has existed for thousands of years. Israel didn't exist until 1948. Gaza & its Arabic (Semitic) residents were there first. Israeli Zionists are uninvited foreign invaders & oppressive terrorists.

    ICC prosecutor seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu for war crimes over October 7 and Gaza
    https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/20/middleeast/icc-israel-hamas-arrest-warrant-war-crimes-intl/index.html
     
  14. JCS

    JCS Well-Known Member Donor

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    I agree that 911 was an inside job. The evidence is overwhelming. I just can't say who/what group(s) planned & carried it out - but I know our govt had a big hand in it - and I know it wasn't an angry Islamic extremist group or "al-Qaeda."
     
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    If you're interested in learning more about who planned and executed the events, you need to spend some time reading Bollyn's work. Christopher Bollyn
     
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    I'll check it out. Thanks.
     
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    Did Harris Agree to Consider an Arms Embargo on Israel?


    The Pro-Hamas Ticket

    'Hamas invades Israel on October 7, raping and massacring hundreds of civilians and taking hundreds of hostages. Hezbollah and the Houthis in Yemen begin raining fire on the Israelis when Israel fights the war that Hamas started. Iran launches a massive and direct attack when the Israelis take out IRGC commanders supporting Hezbollah and Hamas.'

    'And the US should impose an arms embargo on ... our ally under attack?'

    'Kamala Harris, reportedly, or at least considering:'

    She's heads the Pro-Hamas ticket.

    'Just before her rally, Harris met with Abbas Alawieh and Layla Elabed, who, according to the report, "wanted to support her but... wanted her to consider an arms embargo." In response, Harris indicated she was "open to it" and introduced the two community leaders to her staff.'

    'Harris is signaling that she push American foreign policy farther to the Left as president, perhaps far enough to sever the mutual defense/intelligence alliance with Israel.'
     
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    Is opposing Palestine's existence also anti-semitism? If not, why not?
     
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    Jews for Kamala Are Living in Denial

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    She's Pro-Hamas.

    Recently at meeting of IDF soldiers fighting terror after Gaza invaded, slaughtered, raped, and beheaded men, women, children, and babies.

    'All the guests at the presentation were enraged at the eruption of American and international Jew hatred. The World Court, whatever that is, had indicted the Israeli Prime Minister as a war criminal; our President and Vice President pointedly insulted him on his visit to Congress; the administration withholds the release of arms voted by Congress for Israeli defence. The affronted Jews each proclaimed what he considered a solution, but which I understood as cries of anguish.'

    Kamala doesn't care. She views Hamas a people of color and Jews as white.

    'We American Jews, traditionally, vote for the Democrats, since we look around and see social ills — and believe it is the job of the government to eradicate them. But this concern with social justice is a warped understanding of the Biblical injunction to do justice. The Bible admonishes us not to respect the claims of the rich, nor of the poor, but to pursue justice. It can be pursued, we learn, only through application of previously determined rules: set by, for example, the Torah, the Talmud and the Constitution.'

    'Today, the Democrats have become the party of antisemitism. Obama and Biden’s policies have given money and arms to Iran, and withheld congressionally mandated military aid to Israel — and yet Jews vote Democratic. Charles Schumer, the Senate Majority Leader, is a Jew, representing a significantly Jewish constituency. He pointedly insulted Prime Minister Netanyahu, on his visit to Congress, refusing to shake his hand. For whom was Schumer performing his discourtesy? Who does he think he is, and what does he think might defend him, and his constituents, should the Caliphate come knocking?'

    With their open borders policies, I'm sure the terrorist cells for the Caliphate are already settled in our cities.

    'Kamala Harris, as Vice President, is President of the US Senate. It was both her responsibility and her honour to preside over the Joint Session of Congress convened to hear Netanyahu. Instead, she chose to attend a reunion of her college sorority. Can one imagine a more appallingly calculated slight? Her absence announced that, under her administration, the United States will abandon Israel. And yet American Jews will support her.'

    A time for choosing

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    Joe Biden gave Israel everything Netanyahu wanted and Kamala Harris shows no signs of doing otherwise. To the point that it's hard to tell who the dominant power is.
     
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    On this topic, the Muslims were the ones capturing land. In Muslim controlled territory, they have cleansed their land of Jews, Christians, atheists, gay people, and those critical of religion/government. Not even a reservation where it is safe for these people to exist.

    The pot is calling the kettle an imperialist!
     
  23. JCS

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    This is a laughable comment. You're conflating Islamic nations with extremist Jihadist minority groups - the latter of which have spread following the upheaval wrought by the establishment of Israel & the Western invasion of the Middle East. In no Muslim country have Jews, Christians, atheists, and gays been "cleansed." Please provide citations if you have them.

    In fact, it is the white European nations that have been the greatest perpetrators of Jewish persecution, slaughter, and expulsion since the BC period. From 537 BCE, when Cyrus the Great of the Persian empire conquered Babylon & freed the Jews to return to Judah, all the way to 1948 with the establishment of the state of Israel, it has been white Europeans that have persistently persecuted, slaughtered, and expelled Jews. This includes the expulsion of Jews by the Roman empire & its conquered territories starting in 500 BC; the waves of Crusades (1095–mid-13th century) that destroyed many Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East; the expulsion of Jews throughout Europe that followed, up until 1933 prior to WWII; the organized massacres of Jewish people in Germany, Russia and eastern Europe from the late 19th to mid 20th centuries; and the displacement, takeover & destruction of indigenous Jewish farms/land & communities in what is now the state of Israel by waves of foreign Jewish settlers under the aid & protection of Western powers. (See - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews)

    Fact: Modern Israel has its origins in the Zionism movement, established in the late 19th century by Jews in the Russian Empire who called for the establishment of a territorial Jewish state after enduring persecution. (See - https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/state-of-israel-proclaimed)

    From Wiki:
    Jewish communities have existed across the Middle East and North Africa since classical antiquity. By the time of the early Muslim conquests in the seventh century, these ancient communities had been ruled by various empires and included the Babylonian, Persian, Carthaginian, Greek, Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman and Yemenite Jews.

    Jews under Islamic rule were given the status of dhimmi, along with certain other pre-Islamic religious groups. These non-Muslim groups were accorded certain rights and protections as "people of the book". During waves of persecution in Medieval Europe, many Jews found refuge in Muslim lands.

    Today, Jews residing in Muslim countries have been reduced to a small fraction of their former sizes, with Iran and Turkey being home to the largest remaining Jewish populations. This was due to widespread persecution, antisemitism, political instability and curbing of human rights. In 2018, the Jewish Agency estimated that around 27,000 Jews live in Arab and Muslim countries.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule

    Also read the following History article if you'd like to know about how Medieval Muslims viewed Europeans. It's a good illustration of how primitive, uncultured, barbaric & backward Europeans were at the time when Muslims were heavily engaged in science, mathematics, astronomy, medicine, and philosophy. Here are some excerpts.

    When asked, "How would you compare European and Islamic civilizations during this time (9th - 14th centuries)?" Paul M. Cobb, professor of Islamic History at the University of Pennsylvania, replied, "The Islamic world was much bigger and more urbanized, with more wealth and cultural patronage, and more ethnic and linguistic diversity. Whereas the cities of western Christendom had populations measured in the thousands — Paris and London would have had maybe 20,000 each — Baghdad likely had hundreds of thousands of citizens. So we’re talking about an invasion of peoples from a marginal, underdeveloped region of the world to one of the most urbanized, culturally sophisticated zones on the planet. That accounts for the sense of trauma from the Muslim side. How could people from the edge of the known world invade this divinely protected, culturally sophisticated and militarily triumphant region? There was a lot of soul searching on the part of the Muslims."

    When asked, "What did medieval Muslims think of Europeans?" Suleiman A. Mourad, professor of religion at Smith College replied, "The broad Muslim perception of Europeans was as cross-eyed barbarians. There were clichés that got repeated up until the 19th century—usually about their lack of cleanliness, the fact that they defecate in the street without any sense of privacy. There is a story about crusader medicine, that they blood-let in order to let the demons out. The people who knew the crusaders gave a much more refined understanding, but the positive narratives were not widely disseminated."

    Prof. Paul Cobb adds, "Muslim travelers had a hierarchical world view. In the center was the Islamic world. On its margins, the people of Western Europe weren’t on the extreme edge, but were warming their hands on the fires of civilization. Europe was considered cold and dark and surrounded in mist. In ancient medieval ethnography, geography was destiny. It was believed the Franks were hairy, pale and from the dark and unwashed North. The medieval Islamic world’s view of the west is a mirror of today’s view of Islam by the west: exotic and distant, populated by a fanatical warlike population, slow to develop, economically backwards—with nice monuments and raw materials, but otherwise not much to recommend it."

    And when asked about a specific account, Prof. Cobb added, "Most famously there was an Arabic author named Ibrahim Ibn Ya’qub, who traveled around Europe in the 10th century, and his work was quoted by others. He left first-hand accounts of France, Italy and Germany, among other places. We learn, for example, of lushness of the land in Bordeaux, feasting practices in Germany, even whaling practices near Ireland. For all these, he was pleased by the land, but appalled by the people he met. “They do not bathe except once or twice a year, with cold water,” he wrote. “They never wash their clothes, which they put on once for good until they fall into tatters.” What you have is a classic strategy by which one society “others” another society — much as Europeans did to Muslims."

    You can read more here - Why Muslims See the Crusades So Differently from Christians
    https://www.history.com/news/why-muslims-see-the-crusades-so-differently-from-christians

    And when it comes to religious tolerance, the Islamic world has been a safe haven for all religions up until the establishment of Israel & the ensuing Western military invasions when Jihadist extremism began emerging. But Christians are being harassed & are under attack by Jews in Israel too (see the many articles & youtube videos on this growing problem). And anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews in Israel are under attack by its own govt & police.

    When it comes to gay tolerance, however, well that's an issue that Muslims have yet to resolve. However, look at the way gays are treated by Christians in the US. They're hated (eg, the mantra, "God made Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve"), harassed, and even killed. Who do you think commits hate crimes against gays in the US? Additionally, gay marriage & rights are persistently opposed by Christians.

    And how can we ignore centuries of white Christian/Catholic European Colonialism. Do we even need to go there? Are we all not familiar by now with the white European history of the slaughter, genocide, slavery, displacement, and oppression of the millions of indigenous populations in N. America, Central America, S. America, Australia, Africa, and India - and all for the three G's (God, Gold, and Glory)? And still today the tradition of white European colonialist empires continues with the military, economic/corporate, and cultural invasion of Africa & the Middle East - not to mention the creation of a Jewish (Zionist) state called "Israel" in 1948 by American & UK govts.
     
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    Hamas deliberately sets up in schools and hospitals to maximize civilian casualties. That is the only way that the disingenuous calls for a "cease fire: gain any traction.
     
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    Let's see. They attack, kill and rape civilians, killing 1200. They then hide under and among civilians. The world is supposed to prevent civilian casualties?
     

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