It's Time for the Scientific Community to Admit We Were Wrong About COVID and It Cost Lives

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  1. gfm7175

    gfm7175 Well-Known Member

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    https://www.newsweek.com/its-time-s...ong-about-coivd-it-cost-lives-opinion-1776630

    It's already starting! (if you're not already aware) ... People who supported the COVID related mandates, the lockdowns, the jabs, even forcing the jabs upon others as well as treating unvaccinated people like pariahs, are now calling for "covid amnesty" or are otherwise calling for admitting fault in the downright evil actions that they supported.

    Ummm, they didn't just "overstate evidence" and "mislead the public", nor were there "scientific mistakes" (whatever THAT means)... They outright LIED, repeatedly, without shame, about masks, about covid, about the covid jabs, about natural immunity, and about damn near everything covid related. They pitted family member against family member. They didn't let family members visit with their ailing loved one in hospitals, they forced many millions of Americans to choose between the jabs and their jobs (after they THEMSELVES initially chose to refuse to get the jabs because they didn't trust "Trump's vaccine"), they wanted unvaccinated people to die (and also didn't want unvaccinated people to have access to healthcare as well as numerous social events).

    No ****, Sherlock...

    You did A LOT more damage than that, dude, as I lightly dived into earlier. And no, you don't get to just say "whoopsie", offer up a few words of apology, and then walk away from it as if that damage never happened. No, there is no forgiveness from me until you pay, pay again, and then pay some more for all of the crimes against humanity that you have caused. No quarter!
     
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    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    Huh, a medical student writing for newsweek. Strange. But setting that aside, it was really too vague to make a compelling argument. The measures against covid did save lives, but lockdowns in particular may have done more harm than good (kind of hard to measure, though, lower death from infection rate vs all the economic damage done by lockdown - perhaps better addressed with strict distancing and masking). Republicans politicized it and engaged in quackery. Republicans clearly caused excess deaths, not public health.

    Some of what you said was so conspiratorial though, not sure if reason can get through even if we did do a robust analysis on this thread.
     
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    And in the VERY FIRST RESPONSE we get the patented "Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump" response.

    This thread isn't about Trump, so please do try to stay on topic, which is the "scientific community" and all that they were wrong about with regard to covid.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    related to this in the op "People who supported the COVID related mandates, the lockdowns,"

    so yes... of course... the covid response was Trump's baby, he was the decider, he decided - covid was new, he had a 50\50 shot, he just chose wrong

    can also blame the vaccine mandate on Biden... see how that works
     
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    The decisions to lockdown the economy came from the respective governors of each state. The President had nothing to do with that. The initial lockdown suggestion from the "medical experts" was for a 3 week duration to avoid possible overloading of the hospitals. That never happened and in the ensuing months hospitals actually had to lay off personnel.
     
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    Uh, yeah it did. Overwhelmed Hospitals Are Shipping COVID-19 Patients To Far-Off Cities : NPR
     
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    I provided a link, and it has links that you can investigate as well. But the point is you said hospital overcrowding due to covid was never a problem. This is not true and that was the point.
     
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    Your article is from 2021. The reason for patients being sent to other facilities are nit Covid but postponed procedures due to the government policies. Had the lockdown only ladted 3 weeks non of this would have happened.
     
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    Of course it's from 2021. Hasn't been as bad post-delta. Procedures were postponed due to lockdowns? No. Hospitals did than on their own, to be able to save as many covid patients as possible. One issue with covid is that severe cases are very resource-intensive. Using up ICU beds/staff for an extended time, and the very limited-availability ECMO is also an effective intervention.
     
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    If they do science will immediately become far right and misinformation.
     
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    Trump gave them the guidelines of when to shut down and when to reopen
     
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    Covid lockdowns started in March of 2020. If they had ended 3 weeks later there would have been no issues in 2021. Please read your own link.
     
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    That is not true.
     
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    most certainly is true, can't rewrite history

    "The President's CoronaVirus Guidelines for America"

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    "*** In states with evidence of community transmission, bars, restaurants, food courts, gyms, and other indoor and outdoor venues where groups of people congregate should be closed."

    "The President's CoronaVirus Guidelines for America"

    "30 days to slow the spread"

    https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.go...3.16.20_coronavirus-guidance_8.5x11_315PM.pdf
     
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    got to love the right, Trump issues a national emergency, tells the States to shut down for 30 days, then Trump tells the States how to open.... then the Right attacks the States for doing what Trump said to do
     
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    That was the ~ 3 weeks. The recommendation came from the medical experts. The implementation was done by each state.

    BTW there is nothing about lockdowns in the chart.
     
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    If you believe all the above then why didn’t all the states end the lockdowns after 30 days?
     
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    cause they did not meet Trump's reopen guidelines

    not every State listened to Trump, they were the smart ones

    https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/openingamerica/

    "President Trump has unveiled Guidelines for Opening Up America Again, a three-phased approach based on the advice of public health experts. These steps will help state and local officials when reopening their economies, getting people back to work, and continuing to protect American lives."
     
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    says 30 days right on the presentation behind him

    it was called ""The President's CoronaVirus Guidelines for America""
     
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    Nothing about lockdowns.
     
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    This was the work of Fauci, et. al. The states were responsible for the economic damage done by the lockdowns. Those at risk from Covid were well known from the start. They were not protected. Instead certain governors decided to keep everyone home mistakenly thinking that would protect those most at risk. The ultimate tragedy is keeping the schools closed. Children are at very low risk and do not spread the virus. And as with just about all progressive policies it is the low income families which are in most need of open schools to which the most economic and educational damage was done.
     
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    sure,

    "*** In states with evidence of community transmission, bars, restaurants, food courts, gyms, and other indoor and outdoor venues where groups of people congregate should be closed."
     
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    My link rebutted your idea that covid did not overwhelm hospitals. That's it. But no, lockdowns did not cause increased covid disease problems in 2021. Economic problems in general were exacerbated though.
     
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    The continued lockdowns caused problems in some hospitals in 2021. But other hospitals had excess capacity and in fact some laid people off. The hospital system was not overwhelmed in 2021.
     
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