Jan6 footage

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by modernpaladin, Mar 8, 2023.

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Who should have access to the footage?

  1. The govt will show us all we need to see.

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  2. Tucker Carlson will show us all we need to see.

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  3. Some other entity can be trusted to show us what we need to see.

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  4. It all needs to be released, otherwise we're just getting someones biased perspective.

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  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Again what is it that you think is being withheld?

    Oh! And while we are at it - why hasn’t Tuckums come out with more “evidence of innocence”?
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Right-wingers have proven themselves habitual and pathological liars with an agenda and an ax to grind. There is no way that anyone with any common Sense would trust them to be unbiased about this situation. They are given direct evidence of crime and try to spin it into a Democrat conspiracy. Pathetic.
     
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    Wow! I think this might be the first time I've seen the claim that a person erected a strawman over what he used to highlight his own point instead of someone else's. It makes me think you failed to understand the point I was making or attempting to deflect from it.

    Your bias over what took place on 1/6 is obvious, imo. Because of it you're inclined to believe the kangaroo court was being totally honest with American citizens. Don't you find it odd that the same people that mistrust the Republican representatives in the government, to be honest over 1/6, find no reason to distrust the Democratic representatives of the same government?
     
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    Idk. I don't watch Tucker. Do you?
     
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    Look up entrapment by estoppel. If people have video of Capitol Police allowing protestors inside or walking around with them while helping by opening doors, the people charged have a right to all of that video.
     
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    Why do you think courts release video footage to the public and not the executive? I'm sorry if division of powers is beyond your understanding.

    Again, there is video of people who peacefully entered the building without resisting commands who were charged. This is basic information of the event.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    I believe beyond your understanding was my comment on your main point which was "There needs to be accountability" to which I said "that should be done by the courts, not in the court of public opinion."
    Why are you taking the side of people who assaulted the capitol building? Have you somehow weirdly convinced yourself that is patriotism?
     
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    The courts will ultimately be composed of the public, which is us. We can't hold anyone accountable, other than those who express their opinions by holding the opinions up to light of reason.

    That there were a criminal element to those who breached the Capitol building, not all rose to the level of being felons. Why would you lump those charged with misdemeanors in with those who committed felonies?
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    We hold those accountable for their actions not their opinions. What country do you live in?
     
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    I live in the world of public discussion forums where it's quite common to hold others accountable for their opinions. I'm holding yours accountable right now.
     
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    We do what place they fled to, but not where that place is within the Capitol.
    And what "push the insurrection story"? Are you going to cute and claim all those people were just "visiting" the Capitol? lol.
    Yeah, beating 100's of cops who were protecting the appointing of Biden as a president in a "stop the steal" rally had nothing to do with a coup attempt. lol

    Oh I bet there was also no looting doing during BLM protests. They were just concerned citizens who were sightseeing in shops and took stuf home that was unattended. They'll be returning it all as soon as video evidence shows they were concerned about the stuff.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    As I yours and it sounds like you need to get out more.
     
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    Absolutely not.
    Fascists like Tucker Carlson claim it was just a peaceful protests and they are childishly disregarding that 100's of cops were beaten up so them fascists were able to enter the Capitol. Those violent vids are out there, that they did this. No amount of other footage about those fascists will erase them beating up all those cops. Nothing.

    And you either admit that over a 100 cops were beaten up so them fascists could enter the Capitol with their "stop the steal" theme, or you're just in a fascist fake alternative reality. The idea that stop the steal, could mean anything else from trying to prevent Biden "stealing" the presidency,.. is also just part of a fascist fake alternative reality.
     
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    Welcome to my world.
     
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    If you have nothing to hide then you'd stop hiding 99% of the rest of the footage
     
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    There is no truth to your words. If I were to put that more diplomatically than you put your own reply to me, I would say that your interpretation-- to connect whatever you are talking about, from my own argument, with the disinformation about Vietnam-- is a ludicrous stretch.



    So, my thinking that I could believe anything, from any government source, was the same as my arguing that one can't believe the Republicans, because of Vietnam?

    Still not sure, of that connection, but I will respond to the two points that you seem to be arguing:
    1) The fact that government has ever misled the public (knowingly or not), is not a logical argument, that all members of government are always lying. I don't think further explanation, on my part, is necessary to debunk that argument. Any such argument, would only have any place, in a system with one-party rule; or in a defacto dictatorship. FYI, that does not include our own country's government.

    2) Your second argument, is sheer hypocrisy: you call my belief, of the J6 Committee's evidence, a "bias." At the same time, your bias, makes you see the Committee's work as a "kangaroo court." Do you not recognize, the double standard?

    If all members of the government, by your first argument, are always lying, then how is one to interpret it, when different members of government are presenting two opposing versions of the facts? Obviously, one of these, must be closer to true (or less of a lie) than the other. I would suggest that one can make this determination-- as I have-- through reasoning, as with any other matter.

    We are not relying on only the word, of the Committee members. This is another point, I wouldn't have thought, needed to be explained. We have the live broadcast of the event. We have hours of violent footage. We have hundreds of witnesses, most of whom had been Trump allies, presenting a picture, matching that of the Committee's findings. In fact, I would maintain that the witnesses are not confirming the Committee's version of events, but that the Committee is representing the story, as the evidence, including the testimony of these predominantly Republican witnesses, presents it.
     
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    I can take far fewer words to respond to you.

    You have now illustrated the perfect example of a straw man argument in your rebuttal. Bravo! It only took you a wall of words to obscure it.
     
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    My words, regardless of their number, did present an argument. One that you, apparently, cannot answer-- because your words, for their self-congratulatory brevity, do not make any argument (there is more to one of those, than just a personal claim). Therefore, you could have debated equally well, using no words at all.
     
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    No one really knows unless they're allowed to see all the footage do they?
     
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    Aaaaahhhhhh! Do you put your finger along the side of your nose and wink when you say that?

    But no, honestly - what “hidden secrets” would exonerate those idiots? And why have the idi…. Ooops sorry Defendants, not said “look I am innocent - yeah there might be footage of me bear spraying the cop but I did render first aid immediately afterwards”. If there was missing footage then there would be disparities yes?
     
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    Okay if you want to suit through hours and hours of blank walls and empty rooms be our guest but again I ask where are the allegations that this is not what happened from the participants themselves? EmTee Greene would have wet her pants if one of her “innocent tourists” was able to reliably claim innocence. Where are the stories that would indicate a disparity in the record?
     
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    The people deserve to see all of the footage and for no other reason then to put to rest allegations of agent provocateurs instigating things at the behest of Democrats.

    Are you scared of what people might see?
    Why are you so opposed to daylight because that is the best sanitation.

    After all if you have nothing to hide then you should have nothing to hide.
     
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    Oh! The “green fairy” strategy!

    “We have to look for Green Fairies”

    “There are no such thing as Green Fairies”

    “How do you know it you have never looked for them”?


    Is there a shred of evidence that there is something hidden
     
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    You do not wish to examine any evidence. You have a narrative and story that you have been fed and you intend to stick to it without deviation.


    Any good investigator would like to see all of the evidence and anything that could potentially contain evidence. But we know that's not what this is about.
     
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    I would love to see ANY evidence but all you are saying is “it’s hidden”. What is hidden? What do you expect to find? Or are we back to green fairies? PS do you have ANY and I mean ANY idea exactly how much footage there is? Do you really want to spend 10 hours looking at a vacant room in case Incy Wincy spider climbs up the wall?
     

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