Jan6 footage

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by modernpaladin, Mar 8, 2023.

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Who should have access to the footage?

  1. The govt will show us all we need to see.

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  2. Tucker Carlson will show us all we need to see.

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  3. Some other entity can be trusted to show us what we need to see.

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  4. It all needs to be released, otherwise we're just getting someones biased perspective.

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  1. CornPop

    CornPop Well-Known Member

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    I've given you facts that counter your false assumptions. I notice you didn't answer any of my questions such as "did you have the same concerns when Democrats gave access to the videos?" I think your deflection about "rationalizations" tells us how you'd answer that question. So it's not about "security" concerns. It's about one side doing for a couple weeks what the other side did for a couple years.
     
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    I think the insurrection charge is dead. Even the Shaman plead to lesser offenses (obstructing an official proceeding. You know, like trying to disrupt the Kavanaugh hearings. Except that was the Left so it doesn't count). Of course, that won't stop "them" from using that term forever. Can you believe there are still loons claiming the clot shot slows the spread of Covid and that Donald Trump colluded with Russia? What I'm thinking about is criminal trespass. Suppose the capitol police have no authority to allow someone into the capitol but one thought they did and entered when invited. Is that a defense against criminal trespass? Any damage done by this person, even if accidental, would still stick under civil law. But criminal?
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    All the rationalizations and video footage in the world will not relieve your cognitive dissonance. MAGA people violently broke into the capitol calling for Pelosi’s and Pence’s head at the prompting of the orange sociopath. That is a fact no sane person can get around.

    This is satire. Right?
     
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    CornPop Well-Known Member

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    I think you're responding to the wrong post again because you are ignoring what you are responding to and just moaning about stuff that upsets you regardless of relevancy.

    These posts are basically you telling us you didn't care when Democrats did what Republicans are doing without telling us you didn't care when Democrats did what Republicans are doing. If we are going to selectively leak video both sides should have the opportunity to present their case to the public. That's how democracies operate. Sorry. I know that concept can be triggering for some. I believe sane people support democracy and due process, even those who rant about orange sociopaths...
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    I think you are conflating the Jan.6 committee and the court. The court should and does have all evidence the defendant needs to defend him or herself. That's how our system works and people are being convicted by evidence. The public has no right to all the evidence just because they don't like what the committee presented.
     
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    The courts do not have all the evidence. They only have the evidence presented at trial. The prosecutors have all the evidence, but they did not release all the evidence to the defense which prevented them from showing it to the judges. And, you're still deflecting. You can admit you didn't care when Democrats, who are not part of the court, did what you claim only a court should do. I have no idea why you think a court would have control over this, but assuming this false premise is correct, you are not being consistent with your views. You are hypocritically defending Democrats for doing what you complain Republicans did in response to Democrats doing it first.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Are you saying the defendants were not provided evidence to defend themselves? How do you know that? Isn’t that reason to overturn all the convictions? Why isn’t that happening? Do you believe in a vast judicial conspiracy?

    The J6 committee was bipartisan if you didn’t know. BTW the Republicans are now in charge of the House they can form another J6 committee and pack the committee with pro Trumpers….fine with me, but I don’t think the public will buy it.
     
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    There is a difference between party and ideology. To imply that the committee was something other than a kangaroo court ignores that there were no MAGA on that committee. Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are neo-con tools. Look into the term "RINO" if that helps you figure out the difference. EDIT: Heh. Kinzinger now works for CNN! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kinzinger
     
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    I'm saying they weren't provided with all the available evidence to defend themselves. And, I'm saying that because we have public statements from Jacob Chansley's attorney saying he didn't get all of the requested video to defend his client. If they had all of the video they requested they would have leveraged it during the plea bargain and sentencing phase.

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    And Liz Cheney campaigns for Democrats trying to help them keep control of Congress...
    https://www.axios.com/2022/11/05/liz-cheney-endorses-democrat-midterm-elections
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/us/politics/cheney-kinzinger-democrats-independents.html
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    Cheney and Kinzinger have larger cojones then the rest of the House and chose ethics over partisanship. In this case RINO means Republican Integrity Not Optional unlike the House Trumpers.
     
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    Move to strike as non-responsive.
     
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    Yeah, it was sooo hard for Liz Cheney to take a position that she felt would help her with her presidential ambitions while getting her a ton of time on TV.
     
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    over 100 cops were beaten into the hospital and you only found 10 people with misdemeanors. lol
    The people inside were not people just doing a guided tour as well.

    Would you as a ex-military man agree that an attempt to go awol is indeed not the same as succeeding, but you can't let an attempt to go awol slide as if nothing happened.
     
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    I said more than a misdemeanor. Christ, learning is fundamental.

    There is no such thing as 'attempted AWOL'. You either are, or you are not.
     
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    It's about the less than 10.
    And you got to be kidding that it's not 100's and 100's.
    While the people who were in the Capitol, were not like sightseeing on a tour.

    sure sure. A soldier planning to go AWOL can just go ahead with it's plans.
    Well there is such a thing as an attempt to murder etc, where the attempt is as good as succeeding as well.
     
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    Looks like my last response got cancelled, I'll try again and leave you out of the mix.....Cheney is trying to save her party from the election denying, conspiracy theory loons and make her party respected again.
     
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    You believe a woman who defends Obama birthers is trying to save people from election-denying conspiracy loons? Okay, that makes one of us.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, that was over ten years ago and since she has watched her party deteriorate, backing the Big Lie and conspiracy theories. Much larger issues.
    She also said at the time "I don't have any question about Barack Obama's right to be President of the United States." In other words, not down with that particular conspiracy theory. Noting, like her, their frustration with Obama's policies.
     

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