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Jesus' last words

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  1. Migrunt

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    Jesus didn't create your faults. Your sin was because of Adam. The only way to be made whole again is by FAITH in Jesus and what he did. Scripture says by one man sin entered the world, and by one man we are made a new creature and given eternal life. Roman's chapter 5. Forgiveness and eternal life are GIFTS, can't be earned.
     
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    Nothing succeeds like a written prophecy after the event has occured.
     
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    So God created my faults!
     
    CourtJester, Sep 2, 2019
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  4. Market Junkie

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    You're playing mind games with yourself, 'grunt.

    Maybe Tice can help with your delusions...

     
    Market Junkie, Sep 2, 2019
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  5. FatBack

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    lol at the TV 'physicist'
     
    FatBack, Sep 2, 2019
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay...cant be earned....so why do you worship since its for nothing?
     
    tecoyah, Sep 2, 2019
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    You mean the Physicist that is so much smarter than you he goes on TV?
     
    tecoyah, Sep 2, 2019
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  8. dairyair

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    Definition of sin
    (Entry 1 of 4)

    1a: an offense against religious or moral law
    b: an action that is or is felt to be highly reprehensible
    c: an often serious shortcoming : FAULT
    2a: transgression of the law of God
    b: a vitiated state of human nature in which the self is estranged from God

    According to this definition, I don't think every human is a sinner.
     
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  9. dairyair

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    Did Jesus ask why he forsaked himself? Was he aware he was asking himself the question?
     
    dairyair, Sep 2, 2019
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  10. FatBack

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    I bet he is smart enough to know Jesus's last words and not defend easily discredited lies.
     
    FatBack, Sep 2, 2019
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  11. dairyair

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    Are all non christians the left? You know, not every one you would consider left mocks anyone, much less christians. Some yes.

    Have you never seen theists mock atheists? It happens as often as the other way around.
     
    dairyair, Sep 2, 2019
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    Dude..that was not even a good dodge.
     
    tecoyah, Sep 2, 2019
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    After death on earth.
    After that death, and the making of a new heaven and earth, hell also I guess, will each become immortal. According to the story.
     
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  14. dairyair

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    And evil. God created All Things.
     
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    Guys like Einstein, Hawking, and Sagan disagreed with you, dairy.

    Do you know more than those guys did?

    And do you have any credible evidence to support this fantastical hypothesis that some god "created all things"?
     
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    Why do non-christians insist that the Bible be literally true? Seems to me this is a strawman fallacy. No one needs to slavishly follow every word in the Good Book to be a Christian. In life everything is a matter of interpretation,emphasis and nuance. Why should my beliefs mirror what you think I must believe? If I said all *ethnic group* think and/or does *this*, you would say I was a bigot. You would be right. But right here and now you are doing the same thing without the slightest qualm that you might be stereotyping. Just saying.
     
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    Really...? So what's to ''dodge'' ?
     
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  18. edna kawabata

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    We have a clear statement from Jesus from the first gospel written.
    So what have we so far?

    One person thinks it doesn’t matter what he said. It’s all interpretation and when asked for his beliefs deflection.
    ‘’Woe unto you’’ denies it’s in the Bible apparently. An outlier.
    God stopped being God and became a man who while on the cross became frightened or felt abandoned by people or God.
    Jesus felt used because God filled him with sins and then was disgusted by Jesus.
    We have the 2 in 1. One the divine Jesus knew he was to die the other Jesus didn’t know.
    We have Jesus just a human asking why he’s in this predicament and feeling betrayed.
    He was quoting Psalm 22 prophesizing his death? A psalm asking God to be saved from death and if you do that I’ll say you’re great? Not helpful.

    There is a truck load of dead martyrs who did not feel abandoned by their God. Why did Jesus?
     
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    I see the falsehood that was his 'last words' has been abandoned. Wise course.
     
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    I guess I will need to repeat myself. There were 7 sayings on the cross. The last one was 'it is finished, Father, into thy hands I commend my Spirit''
    That was the very last words of Christ.
     
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    You're not making sense. Salvation and forgiveness are valuable gifts from God. Are you going to reject God's gifts?
     
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  22. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    "That was the very last words of Christ"

    According to the fairy tale, that is not true. The Jesus character yakked up a storm once he got off the cross.
     
    The Wyrd of Gawd, Sep 3, 2019
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  23. tecoyah

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    Okay..so you DO earn these gifts, or does he just randomly hand them out?
     
    tecoyah, Sep 3, 2019
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    NOPE, allegedly your god did.

    He allegedly created everything, there was NOTHING before god....so if he is the creator he is the creator.....if he's a dunce at manufacturing a good product it is NOT the product's fault...



    Blah, blah, excuse god, excuse god ...he didn't REALLY create everything and has no control of anything....weak, very weak..
     
    FoxHastings, Sep 3, 2019
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    For a guy being tortured to death that's quite a bit....
     
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