John Durham's humiliating descent into Trump World.

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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    The New York Times Article is an outright lie... but you didn't do your homework did you?

    We can say, without any hesitation, that the Committee found absolutely no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 election,” said acting Senate Intelligence Chairman Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican, who took over the panel when Burr stepped aside earlier this year amid an FBI investigation into his stock trades.

    Let the leader of this GOP panel tell you so you don't become confused by a NYT interpretation..

    https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public...lease-of-volume-5-of-bipartisan-russia-report

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    Yet another member claiming the NYT article is a lie...
    Jim Risch

    Today, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence released the fifth and final volume of its investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, entitled “Volume 5: Counterintelligence Threats and Vulnerabilities.” Volume 5 clearly demonstrates that the committee found no evidence that then-Candidate Trump colluded or attempted to collude with Russia during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign, a critical statement of fact that is noticeably absent from the report.

    https://www.risch.senate.gov/public...intelligence-committee-s-russia-investigation
     
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    ""everyone knows that Manafort handed the Russians data"" everyone but the FBI.... who do something called "investigations".... how funny you link to newyorker who links to the "Times"... seems "everyone" is actually the Times..

    per Durham's report the FBI had no evidence Manafort
    How strange..... FBI knew nothing about or possessed such evidence.... thank goodness we have the Durham report that debunks it all...

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23813493/durham3.pdf

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    interesting

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23813493/durham3.pdf

    Durham’s report assessed “neither U.S. law enforcement nor the intelligence community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation,” and the FBI then “discounted or willfully ignored material information that did not support the narrative of a collusive relationship between Trump and Russia.”

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    How is that "interesting"? It looks like someone ignoring the mountain of evidence that was gathered by the Senate Intel Committee and by Mueller that the Russians did indeed help Trump and hurt Hillary and trying to save face after finding nothing about the "oranges" of the Russia investigation. BTW, why didn't you use that stale quote again?

    BTW, did you want more links on Manafort?
     
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    Do I need to provide you with more Manafort links….
     
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    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/05/durham-report-fbi-trump-russia/674088/

    Yep. A FLOP.

    People in the Trump orbit were caught lying and lying again about their Russian connections. As president, Trump took extraordinary pains to conceal his discussions with Putin, even from other members of his own administration.

    That’s all beyond dispute. Durham’s efforts to reopen the disputes failed miserably. What may matter more, however, is what the Durham report does, rather than what it says. What the report says is in essence a classic Miranda-rights criminal defense of a kind that conservatives dislike when it benefits a mugger or a car thief: “The cops messed up in this way or that, and therefore my client must go free, even though we all know he did exactly what he is accused of.”


    David A. Graham: Barr misled the public—and it worked

    But what the report does is offer an excuse and escape to Republicans and conservatives who want to protect Trump without outright defending him. Durham tells the story of Trump-Russia while deleting both Trump and Russia.
     
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    You provided one. A painfully uninformed one.
     
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    Manafort admitted it. Either Durham did a **** job investigating, or engaged in really sloppy lying, but either way it means he's not credible.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/muellers-case-against-paul-manafort-explained

    Possible collusion?
    In January, Manafort’s defense attorneys accidentally unsealed court documents that revealed he had shared Trump campaign polling data with a business associate with Russian ties. The revelation could support possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, the issue at the center of Mueller’s special counsel investigation. But Manafort’s trials have so far not offered a definitive answer to questions about collusion, including what happened at the 2016 Trump Tower meeting with a Russian lawyer promising damaging information on Hillary Clinton.
     
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    Let's see the "accidentally unsealed court documents"... I can determine if Manafort gave polling data to a business associate with Russian ties... I don't need PBS, CNN, or BI (who interpreted the interview not under oath)

    Manafort was charged for anything other than colluding with the Russian GOVERNMENT to affect our 2016 election.... please show us the Manafort conviction for Russian collusion you are claiming...
     
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    LOL!! Yeah, it's all made up. Give it a rest, dude. You were proven wrong. Admit it and move on.
     
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    Let's see the "accidentally unsealed court documents"... please don't post if you can't back up your claims.. show us Manafort conviction for Russian collusion... "you all sure has the man dead to rights"... except.... you or no one else has proven it.
    And nether can the FBI as Durham points out..

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23813493/durham3.pdf

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    Manafort gave away valuable data to a Russian agent. That Durham ignored this well-known fact is not an argument that it magically "didn't happen".

    Durham failed. He FLOPPPPPPPPPED.
     
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    That's not a real crime. But providing data to them is collusive.

    Show us how, in a magical realm, that Manafort didn't give a Russian agent demographic data.
     
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    Then .... Please show us where Manafort was convicted of colluding with the Russians….. you keep claiming he did....
     
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    Let's see the "accidentally unsealed court documents"... please don't post if you can't back up your claims.. show us Manafort conviction for Russian collusion... "you all sure has the man dead to rights"... except.... you or no one else has proven it.
    And nether can the FBI as Durham points out..

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23813493/durham3.pdf

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    I included the link. Maybe you should read what I cite to avoid being wrong.
     
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    You have never shown "unsealed court documents that revealed he had shared Trump campaign polling data with a business associate with Russian ties"
    Please feel free to do so now...Post the documents here...
     
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    MR is heavily documented
     
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    But, there is the matter of.........

    Trump and co conspirators (Eastman, Navarro, et al.) engaged in a conspiracy to defraud the government by

    1. Spreading false information to the electorate (That Democrats stole the election)

    2. They orchestrated a corrupt scheme between Trump, Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, & Rep. Scott Perry to replace the acting
    Attorney General (because he rejected Trump's false fraud claims and wouldn't cooperate with the scheme) with Trump
    DOJ ally Jeffrey Clark to use the Justice Department to overturn the election. (recall that Clark was willing to send out a letter on
    DOJ letterhead promulgating to state election officials, Governors, State Secretary's of State, of the false claim that the election was stolen).
    Also note that the all of the top officials in the DOJ swore they would resign if Trump replaced the acting AG with Clark, which is the ONLY
    reason Trump didn't do it).

    3. The three conspirators implemented a plan by Attorney John Eastman in two now public legal memos to pressure VP Mike Pence to refuse to count or delay the certification of the electoral count, despite Eastman's admission that this was in violation of federal law. Note that another aspect of the Eastman memo was to throw the Joint Session into such chaos (over 100 congresspersons objecting ) to force the VP to throw the vote for president to the house, where Trump and co-conspirators knew they had a two state advantage in the state delegations).

    4. Trump et al. pressured state election officials and state legislators to change the election results, (like Trump's famous January 2nd call to GA Secy of State Raffensperger to 'find enough votes to flip the state's results').

    5. They instructed Republicans, including CoS Mark Meadows, acting at Trump's behest in multiple states, to embrace Giuliani's and Eastman's plan to create a false electoral slate in seven battleground states and transmit those fake slates to Congress and the National Archive (certificates of attainment not signed by each governor means that the documents are forged and it's illegal to submit forged documents to the government ).

    6. They summoned and incited a violent mob and directed them in Washington to march on the Capitol.

    7. During the attack, Trump ignored pleas for assistance and failed to take immediate steps to stop the violence and even appeared to tacitly
    endorse the violence, including threats to hang VP Mike Pence. (video produces documented evidence to support 6 & 7)


    So, call it what you want.So bad stuff happened, and someone is going to pay, and that someone is Trump, at the minimum.
     

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