Keep it legal- lives will be saved

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  1. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    What you call complete nonsense is what every human biology textbook everywhere teaches as absolute truth!
    The rest of your babble warrants no response.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A joke of a post .. not addressing any of your 3 complete fails in the previous post .. managing only name calling .. ad hom fallacy.. pretending you have shown some understanding of biology ... when you have demonstrated otherwise ..

    Your 3 fails were as follows:

    A) A fetus is both living and human -
    B) as is a sperm .. as is the worm in your berm and
    C) human life existed prior to conception .. the twinkle in your fathers eye being one of them


    is not "my babble" you are responding to .. but defending your absurd ramblings .. failure to defend your failure to distinguish between a noun and descriptive adjective in the English language .. along with failures in basic logic , rational thought .. coupled with no apparent ability to understand correction of these failures.

    Tough situation mate.. should probably take log out of own eye .. and give up on the lie. pretending I claimed (A) was false - when it was you who don't understand what "Biology Text" say. hey hey hey .. look at that crucified position they say ..

    Tell us why you think human feces is worthy of protection .. why you wish to make law .. forcing such religious belief on others through physical violence.. strange bunch those fundies .. get all kinds of crazy ideas .. why you bought into this one .. is perhaps worthy of self reflection .. if ya go that direction .. I reckon.. :) :applause::oldman::sun:
     
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    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    A human fetus is obviously both human and living!
    A sperm is not a unique human being, a fetus is!
    YOUR FAIL#1!

    the human being the fetus is, did not exist prior to conception!
    YOUR FAIL # 2 !

    You seem both uneducated and very angry. Wonder why?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then why did you imply that I said otherwise ? -- building big fat strawman Fail 1
    Why add the word "unique" moving goalpost - but regardless - a sperm is both human and a being .. Fail 2

    It was not claimed otherwise .. you now changed your claim from a human being did not exist .. when clearly .. Your father existed prior to you existing .. Strawman 2 -- Fail #3.

    what a joke mate you then crying " You seem both uneducated and very angry. Wonder why?"

    It is not just that you made these 3 mistakes .. what's worse is you still have yet to understand your abysmal failure ..

    2 Strawmen -- 3 abysmal fails. Yet to figure out the difference between a noun and a descriptive adjective ...
     
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    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    A sperm is certainly not a human being. Read some biology textbooks.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Every Biology textbook will tell you that a sperm is A) Human .. and B) Alive - in being

    This adds to your previous 5 fails .. basic Biology to the list .. still yet to figure out the difference between a noun and descriptive adjective.

    A compound word vs its constituent parts .. logic .. logical fallacy.. A zygote is also both human and alive and further up the chain towards becomming "A Human" .. "A Human Being" in the compound sense .. as in "The Noun form" of the word Human.

    and you have no shown the conceptus meets that criteria ... "Personhood" "A Human" .. given no definition of Human by which we can compare the single cell at conception .. to a Living Human .. Cognition having been achieved

    and with that we have another of your fallacies .. of the "Assumed Premise" variety .. You have not even attempted to support your claim that a single human cell is a person.

    Fail number 7 .. and last but not least ... you are going to fail the Religious part of the course .. Tell us when the soul arrives ... Prior to sperm (twinkle in daddies eye) - Sperm - Zygote - Implantation - 1 month fetus 3 month .... at birth .. sometime after birth as some moron ethicist suggested .. one in every crowd like I told ya..

    So .. When does the soul arrive .. and support your claim with either scripture or evidence .. logic / reason ..
     
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    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    You are completely incorrect! No human biology textbook will teach that a sperm is a human being. All will teach you that every human being’s life begins at conception!
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not what I said .. and pathetic attempt at deception. Every Biology book teaches that a sperm is both human and alive (in being) - don't blame me for your inability to figure out the difference between noun and descriptive adjective form of the word "Human"..

    and all will not teach that every human beings life begins at conception "defacto" once again you need to stop pretending to have a clue about Biology then demonstrating you do not. There are 5 main scientific perspectives on when human life begins

    Your position is crucified .. need to stop beating that dead horse ..in some desperate attempt justify/apologize for your theocratic beliefs.
     
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    That's not all that biology teaches.

    Other findings include that a fertilized egg is a potential. There is no guarantee that a fertilized egg can or will become a person.

    Also, there is no guarantee that a pregnant woman can survive a pregnancy.

    You are still in the land of make believe.

    In the real world, one can't find an optimal outcome and then pretend that is the rule. Optimal outcomes are possibilities - no more than that.
     
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    In actuality every biology textbook teaches that a sperm cannot and will not become a human being if left alone for nature to take its course. A human zygote, fetus, infant, toddler however is a human being at earlier stages of development.

    Your position seems to be a case of not seeing the forest for all those pesky trees!


     
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    Your completely lost - have no idea of what you speak . as the sperm already is a human being .... being both human and alive ...

    The sperm no more becomes a human than a zygote .. but, it is a stage of development .. without which a human can not exist.

    Your "assumed premise" that a zygote is a human is laughable nonsense ... fallacyland central. The main question of the debate is "is the zygote a human/ a person" you showing up and crying "its human .... its human" over and over is not support for claim .. repetition of premise does not show that premise is true.
     
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    Nonsense, a fertilized egg is a human being in its earliest stage of development!!!!
     
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    I would guess you can't prove you've read every biology textbook.....;)
     
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    So find me one that supports your illogical assumptions. :yawn:
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    I would guess you can't prove you've read every biology textbook.....;)

    UH NO,,


    YOU made the claim , first and repeatedly...so YOU show some proof ( which of course you won't because you have none :)
     
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    Yeah, I already knew you couldn’t.
    Don’t you have something better to do than embarrass yourself here? :yawn:


     
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    FoxHastings said:
    I would guess you can't prove you've read every biology textbook.....;)


    UH NO, YOU HAVEN'T AS YOU HAVE CLAIMED,,


    YOU made the claim , first and repeatedly...so YOU show some proof ( which of course you won't because you have none :)

    Yeah, I already knew you couldn’t.
    Don’t you have something better to do than embarrass yourself here?
     
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    :yawn:
    Don’t you have something meaningful to do?



     

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