Kyiv:UAF begin offensive ops in specific areas.

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  1. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    You've no respect for USA either gifty....since you're not from this part of the world, and don't include "our", like someone else said here.

    And don't say "what Vast majority thinks" since most of those consortium have no idea....they think they do.....but they don't.
     
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    Hard for tankers to think straight after their eardrums are destroyed. Grunt to tanker: "Learn to walk."
     
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    The world did not know how weak Russia really was. The only thing stopping China from annexing much of the Russian empire now is nuclear deterrence.


    Russia Is Now Paying the Highest of Costs for Ukraine War

    The National Interest on MSN.com

    |5 hours ago [8/2/24]

    The Russian military's invasion of Ukraine, originally intended to be a swift victory, has turned into a prolonged conflict with significant losses.
     
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    What do you mean not from this part of the world ?? You are the immigrant .. I was born here but, what does your not being born here have to do with lack of respect for the nation or its principles ? This is complete backwards illogical nonsense .. and it was durdl said "What vast majority thinks" .. having absolutely no clue .. and now apparently same as you.

    You have no idea what the founding principle even is .. never mind respect. You put partisan love of Ukraine over respect for the interest of the USA ... and its citizens. Supporting "Genocide Joe" - and his massive crimes against humanity in the name of the USA .. is not "respect" for the principles on which this nation was founded .. It is just the opposite .. once again you have everything upside down .. and backwards.

    None of this fallacious deflection has anything to do with the subject at hand ... which is your horrible track record with respect to the the facts and reality on the ground in Ukraine .. and and horribly flawed assessment of the geopolitical chessboard . and then desperate attempts to cover up these flaws by running around crying "Russia Russia - ad hom fallacy" a tactic pioneered by the fascist woke cancel club headed up by Kankles. Nothing to be proud of and nothing patriotic about that crowd .. Zoom zoom .. .
     
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    Meanwhile Turkey is building warships for Ukraine's Black Sea Fleet.


    Ukraine's Navy Gets Black Sea Warship Boost

    Newsweek

    |26 minutes ago [8/2/24]

    It is "equipped with cutting-edge weapons and will become a significant addition to our fleet," Ukraine's defense minister said.
     
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    I wonder how many posters get paid to post....
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    I think many of us could get paid a lot more money not to post. ;-)
     
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    This false and frankly nonsensical propaganda trope has been floating around since the beginning of the war. The EU is paying the HIghest of Costs for the War .. the USA next in line depending on the Metric .. USA is first by many metrics .. the Dollars laid out so far are massive.

    It is the USA paying the salaries of all the Gov't workers in Ukraine . paying their bills .. .. paying all the costs of keeping the nation afloat .. in addition to paying for all the weapons and military support.

    The claim "Russia paying the highest costs for Ukraine war" is also preposterous nonsense on the Geopolitical Front .. the Sanctions .. which failed .. did so at enormous cost to the US ..especially to the World Reserve Currency and the stability of the global economy and financial system .

    The author of this article has not the faintest clue mate .. heed not that nonsense.
     
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    This ^ is false and frankly nonsensical propaganda.
     
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    Why not Jack ..? "Don't say our" ?! "Our What" Jack .. and how does this relate your running around crying "Lies Lies LIes"

    What is this Lie that has you so troubled Jack . and Don't say Our about what friend? .. none of this is an argument for anything Jack .. sans your inability to distinguish reality from fantasy nor. fact from fiction on the battlefield. You keep running around accusing people of lies and falsehoods .. but keep failing to tell us what this big lie you have discovered is. I am starting to think that you are projecting your failings onto others .. that the lie that you are announcing is coming from your end .. and that is why you refuse to explain what on earth you are talking about :)
     
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    Come on Zoomer - did you just figure out now that the Russian MOD engages in propaganda from time to time ?! big double Donut friend - Russian disinformation activities are dwarfed by the Pentagon (Disinformation Center) activities of late .. cause that's how it works Zoomie .. the winning side does not need to put out disinformation .. and any good propaganda outlet is mostly truth to begin with. It is the losing side that has the pedal to the disinfo metal Zoomer .. Don't you understand ? the basics of propaganda ?

    This is why you have been wrong 100% of the time throughout this war on contested position Zoomer. Does something not go "ding ding" at some point .. "maybe these sources of information are worthless" kind of thing ? and same for the rest of the cheer team 100% Strike OUT. Do u not understand Zoomer ? 100% Wrong/ false nonsense .. on every contested position .. throughout this war .. every single time .. the entire Cheer team .. Jack running around as we speak crying "Lie Lie Lie - everything is a lie" . .but unable to produce a single Lie.. durdl in the same boat ..

    What a joke durdl have still yet to understand what an argument is ... and of course well known for having no understanding of propaganda .. claiming Congress is a Kremlin Mouthpiece .. and at the same time that there is no propaganda out of the West - media/pundits -- then crying out that a Patriotic western - and pro western source .. is a Kremlin Mouthpiece.

    Now .. tell us what this Lie you are claiming is .. .. what are you claiming is a lie durdl .. nstead of running around name calling .. thinking that is an argument for something..

    Ha ha ha .. see .. look Zoomer .. I told you Potential Pagan - (remember about how Zelensky is going after the Orthodox Church) "Our Father who art in Heaven - Hallowed be thy name"

    what do you mean don't say Our Jack ?.. My Father is the God of Jesus .. - my apologies for including you in the royal "Our" -- who is Your Father .. if not "Our Father" ? .. do you worship the dark rather than the light ? and what relevance does this have to your 100% strike out record ?
     
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    Why spend so much of your time flailing about posting ad hom falacies and misrepresenting the facts, gifter?

    Hmm...
     
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    The number of your falsehoods continues to increase.
    I'll start with an easy question: What is your native language?
     
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    Deflection.
     
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    Russia was lost as soon as it crossed the border into Ukraine.

    “It’s stunning,” said military historian Frederick Kagan of the the American Enterprise Institute’s Critical Threats Project, who says he knows of no parallel to a major military power like Russia invading a country at the time of its choosing and failing so utterly."
    , Russia's failure to take down Kyiv was a defeat for the ages
    AP News
    https://apnews.com › article › russia-ukraine-war-battle...

    Apr 7, 2022 — WASHINGTON (AP) — Kyiv was a Russian defeat for the ages. The fight started poorly for the
    https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-battle-for-kyiv-dc559574ce9f6683668fa221af2d5340
     
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    Yep, and especially considering that Ukraine had little more than Soviet era equipment with Javelins, German helmets and a lot of grit and determination with which to defend themselves when it began, it really is something how this has played out so far. But in retrospect, it does make sense since Russia had no recent experience with warfare on this scale against another country with a military to speak of, and is itself just a corrupt mess with a military better suited to parading than fighting.
     
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    Most of Russia's weapons systems are clearly obsolete, but some people still have not figured that out. Russia should sell the junk before everyone catches on.

    "The Russian’s official story is that the Kuznetsov is currently being overhauled with a modernization program that is supposed to extend the boat’s life for another quarter century.

    ... Obviously, the 2021 timeline has been busted – in part because in October 2018, the Kuznetsov was damaged when the PD-50 drydock sank, causing a 70-ton crane to punch a 200 square foot hole through the Kuznetsov’s deck.

    Then, in 2019, a fire spread through the Kuznetsov. Two workers were killed, fourteen injured, and the Kuznetsov suffered several million dollars-worth of damage. In 2022, another fire broke out (without casualties). And in early 2023, repair work was suspended due to heavy fog in Murmansk. Clearly, the overhaul is not going well. Years behind schedule, the Russians have suggested that the Kuznetsov will return to service in 2024 – but that seems unlikely."


    Topic: Security Region: Europe Blog Brand: The Buzz Tags: Admiral KuznetsovRussiaAircraft CarrierRussian NavyNaval History
    Admiral Kuznetsov: The Aircraft Carrier Nightmare Russia Won't End
    Russia's sole aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, is a symbol of the country's declining power. Plagued by outdated technology, fires, accidents, and a lengthy overhaul, the ship hasn't sailed in seven years., by Harrison Kass, July 27, 2024.


    upload_2024-8-2_16-22-54.png The National Interest
    Admiral Kuznetsov: The Aircraft Carrier Nightmare Russia Won't End
    Russia's sole aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, is a symbol of the country's declining power. Plagued by outdated technology, fires, accidents,...
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    5 days ago
    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/admiral-kuznetsov-aircraft-carrier-nightmare-russia-wont-end-208300
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    Even if that old rust bucket were seaworthy, I doubt mafialand would keep it anywhere near Ukraine. It's an awful big target.
     
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    Ukraine knows how to sell scrap. Putin should get Zelensky to agree to buy the Russian fleets for scrap while he still has some leverage left.
     
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    Might as well. Maybe he can trade that junk for something that works. I imagine China would build him a replacement.
     
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    Lads ... please .. what are you calling "Falsehood - Propaganda" .. at this point all you are doing is name calling .. running around crying "Lie lie lie .. its all lies" but failing to show us this lie.

    What does English being my first and only language have to do .. with your failure to support your claim .. and make an argument Jack ? Just another desperate albeit futile attempt at Ad Hom fallacy.

    Both you gents have failed to show any understanding of what propaganda is .. so let us try for some redemption .. and support these laughable false accusations .. .. give one lie .. or one contested point that you have won .. proving the claim that both your batting averages are 100% strike out. That should not be so difficult to find one falsehood .. one contested point you have won .. starting with the Azov Nazi .. admitting you were Wrong .. Wrong Wrong.. that calling Congress "Kremlin Propaganda" is loopy doopy land .. showing a lack of understanding of what propaganda is lads .. yet you are both running around crying "Propagada Propaganda" at every turn.

    Come now Lads .. over 2 years of war .. with many clashes .. and you can not come up with a single example of falsehood - Lie - Propaganda and show us that you are not just following Hillary's cancel culture woke joke . crying "Russia Russia" every time you see a spider..
     
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    Some insight....and advice.

    Tow the Kuznetsov out to sea somewhere(hard to do now considering everything is a NATO lake), and scuttle it.

    Any $$$ allocated for repairing it, upgrading it,etc, will surely be skimmed off, and stashed somewhere where sanctions aren't ot haven't bitten through(also hard to do).

    This "thing" is a bane on the RuZzki navy!!:)
     
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    "Lads" ....Brits use that terminology.
     
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    Sometimes .. what does Brits using the term "Lads" have to do with your 100% strike out record ? .. and did you forget where you were born .. raised and attended band camp ?

    Where was that Zoomie .. prior to landing in flapperville?
     
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    Right .. :) but .. somehow .. they are now winning .. and have defeated the Nato Proxy army .. and Nato to some degree both on the military but also the economic chessboard.
     

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