Laid off: Newspapers drop office cartoon 'Dilbert' over creator's racial remarks

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  1. Joe knows

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    https://www.foxnews.com/us/laid-off...-cartoon-dilbert-over-creators-racial-remarks

    I totally agree with this guy. I think we should stop voting for blacks to top it off. I’m sick of seeing my race dehumanized for actions we did not commit in todays society so I say screw it, if they keep on calling me racist and have negative views on me because of my race then may as well be what they claim. Quit voting for blacks and quit supporting any of their foundations.
     
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    I am very surprised, to read the poll results, that a quarter of black respondents said it was not "OK to be white." That said, to combine this with the fifth who answered they were not sure, and thereby conclude that black Americans constitute a hate group, is really unwarranted, hyperbolic, and inflammatory extrapolation. The poll does show that the racism in our country, cuts in both directions, and to a disturbing degree, among blacks. Please note, however, that saying that it is not OK to be white, is a very undefined statement, and a far cry short of saying that the other race is, for example, more criminal by nature, or less intelligent, or more violent, or has a poorer social instinct, or that these respondents actually "hate" members of that other racial group. What we need to see-- to which I think, and hope, this poll will lead-- are polls by polling organizations other than Rasmussen, with more fulsome and detailed questionnaires, to not only confirm but to better define, what is black America's attitude toward White America.
     
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    Not sure why you couldn’t combine them. Not being sure if it’s okay to be white? How can one not be sure about that?
     
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    You could combine them, as a group of people who are not especially fans of white people. But it is ridiculous to consider people who'd answered that they didn't know if it was all right to be white, to be people who hate white people. Please save me the wasted effort, by telling me, right now, if you cannot distinguish between those two, very different, descriptions.
     
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    No, I don’t distinguish between the two at all. If I went up to a black person and said I’m not sure it’s okay for you to be black would he not think of me as a racist? I believe this poll shows that dang near 50% of blacks are racist towards whites. I don’t care about the level or degree of it, they’re racist towards whites, period!
     
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    Again, you miss the point. Most people have some bit of racism, in their attitudes. That is too low of a bar, to call a person a racist.

    But if we consider those people with a more comprehensive, though imprecise, negative attitude, about another race, as racist-- which word, my own first reply used, regarding blacks (so go back & re-read that, if you think I am defending their response)-- that is an insufficient criterion for considering them to be members in a "hate group."
    By the same standard, one might make this claim of all white Americans.

    Obviously, such exaggerated generalizations only serve to depotentiate the terms of their true meanings, and so their effectiveness, in singling out specific groups and individuals, who target others, with hate. IOW, it is best to reserve the labels "hate groups," "bigots," and "people with some racist attitudes," each, for only those to which they most narrowly apply. Is that, now, clear-- and do you not agree?
     
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    It's not just that they are racist,I think most people are to some tiny, insignificant percent; it's that they violently act on that racism.
     
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    You see, @Joe knows , ToddWB's post is a case in point, against overly lumping people together, too broadly. I do not know if, in his mind, Todd is thinking that all blacks fit his bolded description, above, but if he is, that would be an assumption of all black people, worthy of derision, for its foolishness. And this assumption of all blacks, which is how Scott Adams classified it, in your OP snip, would be drawn from 21% saying they were "not sure" if it is "OK" to be white, 26% saying it is "not all right," and zero percent, advocating any violence, or any targeted policy or approach, whatsoever, towards whites.

    IOW, if it means what it appears to say, it is Todd's response, which is patently racist.
     
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    As I had begun by saying, this poll result is a bit surprising, and disturbing. But it was also a very vague question to use, to suss out black attitudes. What did the respondents interpret the meaning of "OK," to be? For example, as it is a proven and known fact, that our system has racist elements built into it, then-- by the arguments of generalization, which @Joe knows began his thread, following the cartoonist Adams' example, applying to black people-- one might reason that, as white people created and continue to sustain that system, that writ large, they are at least tacitly endorsing it, and that this is "not OK." Do you follow? Clearly, if that was what they had been thinking, it is utterly mistaken of anyone to consider them all "racist," much less either "violent," or part of a "hate group."
     
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    "In another episode of his online show Saturday, Adams said he had been making a point that 'everyone should be treated as an individual' without discrimination.
    'But you should also avoid any group that doesn’t respect you, even if there are people within the group who are fine,' Adams said."
    Can you say contradiction. A negative bias against a race/culture is called racism and it seems many on here think that is okay.
     
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    Why do you need it broke down like they. Almost half of the blacks apparently want to judge based on skin color. Who cares what okay meant? The fact is they are judging people by race. Which leads me to believe they don’t deserve my support on any of their fronts.
     
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    Sounds fine to me. If they want to judge us why should we give them the benefit of the doubt or allot them positions of power so they can legislate with that hate. People like this will never sign their name on a card saying they’re racist. They will however do anonymous poll. So this like shows reality of the situation. Why would you want to be around people like that? I think he’s in the right.
     
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    Not sure how it’s surprising. We have black teachers making white grade school students Bow to black students, schools with black principals that got caught segregating blacks away from whites, blacks constantly claiming they feel so uncomfortable around whites that they need to create safe spaces. This shouldn’t shock anyone!
     
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    to be fair, he was right, those blacks are racist... he is being like black people that congregate in black communities, that is anti-diversity, regardless of race

    but, he is also being racist against blacks that are not racist, just like those blacks that are racist against all whites, even those not racists against blacks

    I am not sure how this trend changes, it only seems to be getting worse, and I think outside governments are using social media to divide us, not just on this issue, but many issues
     
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    So you do not believe everyone should be treated as an individual, but be judged by their race. Now what is that called.......
     
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    This is what happens when you give a smart, but Asperger type personality a large public forum.

    He may have been trying to make some sort of esoteric point, but to me it's surprising that he was surprised that large numbers of the black population either dislike or resent whites (resent more than actually hate or dislike in my opinion). Actually I was surprised that it wasn't a majority, so this is rather positive news in my opinion.
     
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    I believe that the collective movement of the black community is not worth supporting and is hostile towards whites and our kids future. So yes, call me a racist I don’t care. They say I am racist anyway so I’m going to start acting like it.
     
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    and that is the point, he is being as racist as the blacks that judge all whites because some whites are racist, neither side should be doing this, but we are seeing a trend more and more of this happening among blacks and whites - what is going on? how do we reverse this trend?
     
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    it's not the "collective movement of the black community" to be racist, anymore then it's the "collective movement of the white community" to be racist

    but there is a large number of whites and a large number of blacks that see the other side as all being that way

    this is a huge problem for our society as a whole... but sadly... it's a hard one to fix
     
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    and that is what some black people are saying

    "I believe that the collective movement of the white community is not worth supporting and is hostile towards blacks and our kids future. So yes, call me a racist I don’t care. They say I am racist anyway so I’m going to start acting like it."

    this is how it starts and often leads to bad outcomes - especially if we have a hit to the economy and both sides start blaming the other for their economic issues - which very well may happen

    excessive foreign outsourcing, excessive foreign imports and soon Artificial Intelligence are gonna replace American jobs - what happens then
     
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    So you do not want to support any of their fronts, that is to say, any black issues, because "almost half of the blacks apparently want to judge based on skin color."

    IOW,
    you are going to not only judge, but will also adjust your actions, regarding all blacks-- including the over half, who must have said that it was "OK to be white"-- based on their skin color.


    I would often think that many of the Republicans on this board, had no standards, at all-- if it were not for double-standards.
     
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    And most whites will not admit to their own racism, either. So your point, I guess, is that we shouldn't associate with white people, either, and should not support any "of their fronts?"
     
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    Speaking of "judging by the color of one's skin"-- you think a handful of isolated incidents, justify your judgement of BLACK PEOPLE, WRIT LARGE? Was this post of yours, meant facetiously: just as a clear depiction of what a racist attitude, looks like?


    And is it beyond the realm of possibility, that there could be legitimate, understandable reasons, that white culture could cause the blacks, living within it, to sometimes feel uncomfortable (as if being judged?), or even threatened?

    Yet, of course, you would feel comfortable, yourself, spending all your time, surrounded by blacks?
     
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    Start?
     
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    I kind of agree with Adams but think his comments went unnecessarily over-the-top.

    He should have known better, since his income is reliant on newspapers, and these newspapers are the type that censor people for those type of expressed views.

    Anyway, there is some truth to what he said.
     
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