Large groups of vaccinated people still getting infected

Politicians do not have to say rioting is good, they just tell police not to interfere.

 

Have you seen this news from Germany? It corroborates data from the rest of the world: higher rates of inoculation is followed by higher rates of infection. In Germany, more highly inoculated populations show higher rates of excess deaths.

German States with a High Vaccination Rate Have the Highest Excess Mortality - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

 

How can you believe anything you read in a source like ResearchGlobal?

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Of course it has been thoroughly studied. But you wouldn't want THOSE studies highlighted here, right? So you prefer to pretend that they don't exist, and to phrase it in a way that will make naïve readers conclude that the vaccines don't do anything to prevent the spread, although they clearly do.

But you know, if you're not being disingenuous (regarding someone who posts a picture of a child with chickenpox pretending it's a vaccine reaction, you know, the disingenuous part gets to be suspected, every time) then I'll be happy to link to a study showing that vaccinated people as the index case in a non-vaccinated household, spread it less than unvaccinated people who are also the index case in a non-vaccinated household, clearly showing that the vaccine does decrease the possibility of spreading the illness.

Like I said, you wouldn't be very interest in this, right? If I know you well...

 

For those who ARE interested, here is a very good article about the study. It has a hyperlink to the study itself, and it reproduces the findings in language that is easier to understand for lay people, and also has a question/answer section that is very honest in acknowledging some shortcomings of the study and dispelling some misinformation in how this study has been portrayed.

http://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/231557/covid-vaccines-effective-household-transmission-delta/

These are very serious people: the Imperial College London (one of the best schools in the world) and the UK Health Security Agency.

So, in summary, vaccinated people do spread Covid-19 less than vaccinated people when they are infected. This is easier to see for pre-Alpha and Alpha cases, and less for Delta cases (but still happening for Delta too, although in a lesser degree).

Another factor if you all think the reduction is not that great (from 38% to 25% in households) is that one needs to catch the virus to start with in order to spread it, and vaccinated people in multiple studies have been shown to be 6 to 16 times less likely to catch it in the first place; if you don't catch it, you don't spread it, so this effect in dampening the spread seen in this study even if you catch it, needs to be multiplied by the number of vaccinated people who simply didn't catch it to start with (by "didn't catch it," I mean that they have high titers of neutralizing antibodies that zap the virus immediately - what we call sterilizing immunity - if they come in contact with it, thus preventing the virus from taking hold and replicating; for all practical purposes that person did not catch the virus.

The fact that the initially similar viral load between the infected vaccinated and the infected unvaccinated people, then differs when the vaccinated ones rapidly drop their viral loads, also indicates that they'll be infectious for a shorter period.

Also do consider that these are household studies, that is, the other members of the household had long and intimate contact with the infected person. The vaccinated infected person is less likely to pass the virus on to others in more casual and shorter contact. Even in such intimate setting, there was still a drop from 38% to 25%.

It also needs to be understood that the effect of the vaccines to decrease the spread seems to be even more transient than the protection afforded to the individual regarding hospitalizations and death. In this study things started to fade after 3 months, and the authors recommended boosters to restore this ability to spread the virus less.

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By the way, I'm quoting just this one study because it's the one I referred to, involving households. I find it particularly compelling, given that household contacts are so intense and long. But there are many other studies showing that the infected vaccinated spread it less than the infected unvaccinated.

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By the way, just ONE dose of a 2-dose vaccine already reduces household transmission:

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1112

So, the anti-vaxxer known as Kazenatsu says that he doesn't "think" that there are studies. I couldn't care less for what Kazenatsu "thinks" - his "thoughts" do not make reality. In reality, yes, it's been studied, and I can prove it with links. That's how one debunks the misinformation spread by the anti-vaxxer known as Kazenatsu.

 

~ The experiment in social engineering continues ... `

 

It's odd that all of these masked and vaccinated individuals keep getting COVID anyway despite these measures that supposedly "slow the spread" or "protect from" COVID... it's almost as if the masks and vaccines DO NOT ACTUALLY WORK, yet these very same people wish to mandate masks and vaccinations citing "health/safety reasons" even though those "health/safety" measures clearly aren't working... Seems like a different and nefarious agenda is at play, eh?

 

? Ya think ... `

 

How can YOU believe anything you read in the mainstream media?

Answer: you've been conditioned to believe known liars and you need organizations like MediaBiasFactCheck to tell you how and what to think, demonstrating you are not capable of independent thought.

Happy Thanksgiving!

 

Simple answer: I do not follow the MSM.

My point was to say that the source you read, believe and quote is a well known propaganda / fake news outlet.

Happy thanksgiving.

 

According to whom is it a well known fake news outlet? According to the sites whose ox is being gored?

 

~ Now Fauci wants " Special " transportation for the unvaccinated. Drama & theatrics all the way ...

Fauci mobile for unvaccinated travel ​

 

Compare it to this..........

 

You are getting your information from a site called “flo”??? One that is selling a “health app”??

This is its description about itself

 

You can't call what they're doling out a vaccine. People are flocking to be a clinical test volunteer. Usually people that participate in clinical trials are paid to do so.

 

~ Ah ... but some insist that this "experiment " is inded a immunity producing vaccine with a long history of use , masks and bandannas work to prevent viral spread, and children are at great risk from Covid19. Who can we trust ... ?

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anti-vaxxers know that vaccines do not stop your body from getting a virus right, they are not like Condoms

vaccines try to train your body to fight the virus IF\WHEN you do get the virus

 

Another thread that illustrates the perfect being the enemy of the good.

 

~ Anyone who can read will learn that vaccines do indeed prevent infection and produce immunity -- until the novel Covid-19 experiment along that is . The CDC has since changed the definition of " Vaccine " .

Vaccine Education Center : ​

Immunity : Two types of immunity exist — active and passive: Active immunity occurs when our own immune system is responsible for protecting us from a pathogen. Passive immunity occurs when we are protected from a pathogen by immunity gained from someone else.
Apr 22, 2019

Vaccines : A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease.

 

"protecting us from a pathogen."

is not the same thing as saying the virus will never enter your body

in fact, that is what a vaccine does, tries to prepare the immune system for when was does catch the virus

 

Good? Good forces people into clinical trials instead of paying them?