Let's face it, Trump is a disaster, but will y'all who voted for him admit it?

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Harris wouldn’t be trying to become a dictator, violate court orders.

    Harris wouldn't be insulting reporters, bullying people, engaging in petty rants unbecoming of a statesman

    Harris wouldn’t impose sweeping tariffs that hurt American consumers and trigger trade wars.

    Harris wouldn’t ban transgender individuals from serving in the military.

    Harris wouldn’t gut federal agencies and empower billionaires to dismantle public services.

    Harris wouldn’t use the Justice Department as a political weapon to target opponents.

    Harris wouldn’t scale back federal civil rights efforts.

    Harris wouldn’t roll back environmental protections and dismiss climate change concerns.

    Harris wouldn’t separate families at the border and pursue harsh immigration policies.

    Harris wouldn’t try to buy Greenland as if it were a real estate deal.

    Harris wouldn’t threaten to take over the Panama Canal despite longstanding treaties.

    Harris wouldn't try and make Canada a 51st state, embarrass himself revealing what an arrogant buffoon he is and insult Canadians,

    But the crowning absurdity of stupidity is the fact that Trump was serious about sending all the Palestinians out of Gaza to Allah-knows-where and convert Gaza into a tawdry Vegas styled Trumpian resort. What's utterly amazing is his failure to grasp how insulting it is to the cultural and historical dynamics of the region. The man is brain-dead clueless.

    He's got the nuke football? This doesn't send a chill down your spine? It should.

    Moving on.....

    There are several economic trends that were improving under Biden but have recently started reversing or showing signs of strain (data source Copilot):
    1. Mortgage Rates & Housing Market – Mortgage rates had stabilized for a while but have now shot up again, making homeownership even more unaffordable.

    2. Gas Prices – After a period of decline, gas prices are creeping back up due to supply concerns and geopolitical factors.

    3. Job Market Softening – While unemployment remains low, job growth is slowing, and some industries are seeing more layoffs.

    4. Federal Reserve Policy Shifts – The Fed had signaled a possible easing of interest rate hikes, but inflation ticking back up may force them to keep rates higher for longer, slowing economic growth.

    5. Consumer Confidence Decline – People felt better about the economy when inflation was falling, but rising prices are starting to weigh on consumer confidence again.

    6. Retail Sales Slowing – Consumer spending had been strong, but there are signs people are pulling back, likely due to higher interest rates and inflation.

    7. National Debt & Deficit Concerns – While always an issue, higher interest rates mean the government is paying more in debt interest, making deficits a bigger concern for markets.

    8. Corporate Earnings Pressures – Companies had been posting strong earnings, but many are now warning of slower growth, which could lead to more stock market volatility.

    9. Global Trade & Supply Chain Issues – Some supply chain improvements from the post-pandemic era are being disrupted again by geopolitical instability, particularly in the Red Sea and Taiwan Strait.

    10. Geopolitical Uncertainty – War in Ukraine, tensions with China, and Middle East conflicts all create market instability and investor nervousness.
    These factors together are creating economic uncertainty, leading to the stock market’s recent downturn and a more cautious economic outlook.

    From where I sit, Repubs, your vote for Trump was a huge mistake.

    Trump is a disaster.

    Donald Trump is not merely a bad president; he is a harbinger of America’s decline, an emissary of its vulgar self-immolation, an apotheosis of its darkest instincts, wrapped in ill-fitting golf slacks and the unearned confidence of a man who has never been denied anything except dignity. His second coming is not a renaissance, nor a restoration, but rather the final exhalation of a republic that mistook buffoonery for boldness, vulgarity for vigor, and depravity for defiance.

    To enumerate the crimes--moral, intellectual, existential--is to recite an epic of squalor. His sins are not singular but structural; not incidental but inevitable. He is a mosaic of misdeeds, each more lurid than the last, each one met with the shrug of a party that has long since abandoned the pretense of conscience. Let us begin:

    Racism so blatant it would embarrass a 1950s Southern governor. Sexism so crude it reads like a parody of male entitlement. The narcissism of a dying Roman emperor, draped in golden excess, yet unable to spell ‘hamburger.’ The open, enthusiastic embrace of Nazis, Klansmen, and that most persistent American strain of stupidity--white nationalism. The grotesque, predatory glee in boasting about sexual assault. The paying of mistresses to expunge the evidence of their sins, even as he pantomimes moral rectitude for his followers. The mockery of the disabled, the insults hurled at war widows, the cowardice dressed up as machismo, the endless train of bankruptcies and unpaid workers, each one left to rot in the wreckage of his avarice.

    He is the crude embodiment of every flaw our enemies have ever mocked us for: ignorant yet boastful, corrupt yet self-righteous, cruel yet somehow still pitiful. His understanding of government is as deep as a puddle in August, his commitment to democracy as sincere as a televangelist’s apology. He treats the Constitution as a mere inconvenience, a delicate document that he would tear apart were it not for the pesky inconvenience of literacy.

    And then there is Russia. Ah, yes. If there is any clarity in this murky tale, it is that Vladimir Putin, a man whose icy imperturbability stands in contrast to Trump’s flailing idiocy, sees in him the perfect asset. A witless marionette whose strings can be pulled with the simple tug of an insult or a compliment. The Russian autocrat does not need to infiltrate the American government; he need only flatter its president. And so, with a few well-placed words, Trump subverts our alliances, weakens NATO, kneels before despots, and grins as he hands over America’s dignity like a cheap casino chip.

    Thanks a lot, Republicans.
     
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    What Harris would be doing is abandoning all pretence of having a border, getting in as many illegals as possible in and turn the US into one-party country like California. Or perhaps Brazil coming up...

    At least Trump's selfishness and self-centeredness is out in the open and is correlate with American greatness and uniqueness - rather than a watered down version where the world is one big mixed homogeneous soup.
     
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    Another gish galloping post to deflect away from the distatorous previous administration and the fact Trump has had to continually repair the mess that was left him...

    Trump won @Patricio Da Silva ... he is YOUR PRESIDENT... get over it.
     
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    You have to admire or take offense that someone thinks people would forget the last four years the country had a mushroom and cackling idiot pretending to run the country..

    Insulting really, not a good look for a Democrat at all..
     
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    Less then a hundred days, to soon Pat. Even the most brainwashed Biden believers haven't had time for the DNCMSNBCNN deprogramming to set in.
     
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    You don't actually believe the thousands of ordinary people engaging in protests, large and small, all over the country are brainwashed, do you? Or perhaps the RWM sources you use to be misinformed aren't covering them.
     
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    It would seem some believe they are ;)
     
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    Are you among them?
     
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    Whether he is a disaster to an individual person will be entirely dependent upon whether they wanted a disaster when they voted for him in the first place. There are many folks in the MAGA camp who think chaos is progress and for them, Trump is succeeding. It doesn't really matter that they live in their own vacuum, if what they wanted was chaotic wanton nonsense, they got exactly what they voted for and are tickled pink by what he and his company of morons are doing.
     
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    I'd like to think I'm above the fray.
     
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    Yes, but you aren't. You never have been.
     
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    You have it wrong, most folks I know on the right voted for exposure.. Not many are so conditioned to believe that todays government is honest and have the America citizen interest at heart.. It's odd to me that any American can view our current Government as honest and transparent..

    Like we were told, "a fool and his money are soon parted" and here we are thirty nine trillion in the rears.

    What a disaster..
     
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    @Lee Atwater

    You know me that well to insult my character like that?
     
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    Were you giving the same advice to fellow MAGA people while Biden was President?
    Or were you with Trump in saying the election in 2020 was "stolen"
     
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    The UCLA Anderson Forecast, citing substantial changes to the economy from policies of the Trump administration, issued its first-ever “recession watch” on Tuesday.

    UCLA Anderson, which has been issuing forecasts since 1952, said the administration’s tariff and immigration policies and plans to reduce the federal workforce could combine to cause the economy to contract.

    Its analysis was titled, “Trump Policies, If Fully Enacted, Promise a Recession.”

    “While there are no signs of a recession happening yet, it is entirely possible that one could form in the near term,” stated a news release from the forecaster.

    U.S. recessions are only officially declared by the Business Cycle Dating Committee of the National Bureau of Economic Research. The committee employs a variety of indicators, including production, employment, income and growth to determine if the economy is contracting. At the moment, none of the specific indicators look to be near levels that would prompt the committee to declare recession.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/18/tru...forecaster-in-first-ever-recession-watch.html

    Has a US prez ever affirmatively caused a preventable recession before?
     
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    Soon as I got to the IF, I moved on..
     
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    You tend to forget the reason Harris lost. It’s simple, the voters thought Biden and company, the Biden administration had done a bad job of governing and they voted to replace them. Look at Biden’s overall job approval, 39% approved, 57% disapproved. On the economy 39% of all Americans approved, 60% disapproved. Immigration, 33% approval, 60% disapproval, inflation 34% approved, 64% disapproved and son on.

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/issues

    No sitting president has won reelection nor has that sitting president’s replacement won the election when the sitting president overall job approval was below 50%. The list.

    1952 Truman 33%, his replacement Stevenson lost to Eisenhower

    1968 LBJ 43%, his replacement Humphrey lost to Nixon

    1976 Ford 45%, Ford lost reelection to Carter

    1980 Carter 37%, Carter lost reelection to Reagan

    1992 G.H.W. Bush 34%, Bush lost reelection to Bill Clinton

    2008 G.W. Bush 28%, his replacement McCain lost to Obama

    2020 Trump 43%, Trump lost reelection to Biden

    2024 Biden 39%, his replacement Harris lost to Trump.

    Folks thought Biden and company had done a bad job of governing and they voted to replace them as they had done with every sitting president and his administration the voters deem did an unsatisfactory job. This year, Trump was the beneficiary of the bad job of governing Biden and company had done over the last four years.

    Here's the problem, the party in power, Biden, Trump in his first term governed only for their base which makes up approximately 30% of the electorate. Trump is governing only for his base this second term, not for the country as a whole. When a president does that, their overall job approval drops to around the 40% level causing plenty of dissatisfaction out there among the masses. The result is an election loss. The challenger or the out of power party doesn’t have to stand for anything, do anything, they just have to be there as an alternative.
     
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    Thus the problem with our election system today.

    We don't have a choice to pick the person we think is best, we are only presented with the option of picking the "less bad" of two bad options.
     
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    Well, millions of Americans are watching themselves being parted from their life savings as their 401K melt away in this economy. The chaos and uncertainty is not good for anyone. Risk of recession has increased to 40%. It's not good for anyone.

    I know Trump loyalists will insist this is exactly what they voted or, but I find it hard to believe anyone wanted to lose such a big chunk of their life savings. Even Trump has shifted from claiming "golden age begins now" to admitting there will be pain. Do his hard core base shift when he shifts? Yes, they do that.
     
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    Just like GRIEF has five stages so does TRUMPISM

    1. He meant what he said
    2. He was "exaggerating" when he said it
    3. What about when Democrats did ___________?
    4. Here is what he REALLY meant
    5. He didn't say that.
     
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    And
    6. He changed his talking points, and so did I.
     
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    Let's face it, Trump is a disaster, but will y'all who voted for him admit it?
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    I admit to voting for Trump, three times.
    LOL -- Ever notice those who claim Trump is ruining the economy and is a disaster although Trump has been in the office only two months are the same people who claimed Biden was sharp as a tack and ignored Biden's high inflation rate while he was breaking us by sending billions $$$ to Ukraine.
     
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    No, I have not noticed. Can you help me understand how you know they are the same people? I look at the economy and I know for sure Trump policies are doing a lot of harm, but I never claimed Biden was sharp as a tack, - whatever that even means.
     
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    LOL -- There you go again. You want me to be precise, yet your OP is only your opinion, and you give no specifics on Trump's policies. You say you "know for sure".
    Google 'sharp as a tack'. But I bet you already did that.
     

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