Looks like Iran will directly attack Israel again… displaying weakness of Biden Harris

You said that bin Laden's death caused the casualties. We took casualties BEFORE his death and we too casualties AFTER his death.His death didn't CAUSE any casualties. Trump stopped the casualties until he left office:
- "For 18 months under President Trump, not a single American was harmed in Afghanistan.” (PolitiFact | 18-month stretch of no U.S. military deaths in Afghanistan includes time under Biden)

MIC? LOLOL... propaganda runs deep....

 

haha, oh, you really think you have the terrorists scared? If they are willing to fly themselves into a ****ing building, I’m pretty sure they are beyond giving a **** what Uncle Sam might do to them.
There is now far MORE terrorism than there was ten or twenty years ago, not less.
We need to win with ideas, not military force, or the global issue of terrorism will never improve.

here is an interesting article on the subject.

"The global war on terror has been, generally speaking, a failure. And that failure has been observed all throughout the West.”


Key Takeaways

• The United States’ response to the 9/11 attack, namely the invasion of Afghanistan, had a deeply destabilizing impact on the Middle East and North Africa region. In addition to the death of tens of thousands of Afghanis and others from the region, as well as the emergence of new terrorist groups, U.S. post-war policies sparked a strong wave of anti-Americanism across MENA.
• The global threat of terrorism is "flashing red". Islamist violent extremist groups are leveraging social media and new technologies to recruit foreign fighters, and the Taliban's quick takeover of Afghanistan gave radicals a boost to their message.
• The propagation of radical ideologies and "master narratives" are one of the main drivers of terrorist recruitment. An effective counterterrorism and counter violent extremism strategy must draw on soft power, fighting the war of ideas and the amplification of counter-narratives that have an impact.

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/global-impact-911-twenty-years


And I am 47. Not sure what that has to do with anything though.

 

None of our soldiers would have died if we had not invaded the country to get Bin Laden. How you can say the deaths of our soldiers are unrelated is absolute nonsense.
It seems to me it would have been no more difficult to get Bin Laden without an invasion, May may actually have been easier.

so, you truly believe that profits from military spending was not a factor in the war? I think that is Far less believable.

 

I know little about the military and global conflict. But you are talking about a war way the heck over there. We can ill afford to send an army over there and support it from over here. But maybe the Navy would be useful. They are kinda self supporting
... aren't they? Destroying Iranian oil fields ? Won't that just make my gas more expensive? An ideal solution would be for both sides to stop killing each other. But I in no way feel that Iran is my Ally and I love the Israeli pluck. Looks like we gonna lose the Ukraine. Can we afford to lose Israel?

 

So I assume you would like to give Putin a big kiss.... Ji a big hug... and invite the Ayatollah over for dinner?
Your left wing ideas abut the MIC are kind of funny to me. I spent my life in defense in and out of uniform and know that such talk is ludicrous.

 

What in the world does invading Afghanistan have to do with Putin, Xi, or the Ayatollah? Do you want to invade them too?

 

You seem to want to kiss all our enemies... give 'em a hug.

 

You seem to want to make enemies...just start wars for no reason. Hmmmmm...yet you say military corporations are not in the business for profit, and you worked for them. I'm thinking you have a lot invested in some Lockheed Martin or Raytheon stock.

 

No one in America wants to start a war for no reason. The death of 3,000 at the World Trade Center, however, is certainly justification. I have indeed worked with LockMart and yes, I have some of their stock. It's a great company. I had a fun job with them, traveling the world talking to US and allied Soldiers, seeking to define things they wish they had, then returning home to lead engineering teams to conceive, design, build, test and field the things they wanted. I did the same with Boeing. My experience with Raytheon was more limited. But I had another great time on a team they formed to support DARPA in experimenting with new methods and procedures to cut "sensor-to-shooter" times. It turns out that during Desert Storm, satellites spotted a TEL (Transporter Erector Launcher) for a SCUD rocket, sent the image to the analysis guys at Fort Meade early in the morning where it sat in a que and time was wasted. To make a long story short, we spotted the TEL at about 6 AM but no one "puled a trigger" on it until about 8 o'clock that night. The Raytheon Team I was involved with ran simulations with DARPA to try and reduce this sensor-to-shooter time. Defense stocks are either feast or famine... like most stocks are.

 

I imagine they lean more towards feast when a fresh new forever war kicks off.
I have no problem with hunting down and killing Bin Laden. I have a HUGE problem with a 20 year conflict with thousands of US soldiers and tens of thousands of civilians killed, and then losing the country to the Taliban. I refuse to believe that we could not have taken out Bin Laden by means that did not involve a full scale invasion of another nation.

 

Getting into Afghanistan was easy. Getting out was very difficult. The Talibanhad conducted some raids into Pakistan about the time of 9/11that demonstrated they could conduct such raid easily. They experimented with raids on the Pakistani military academy, major police facilities and more. When we went into Afghanistan, it was felt that the Taliban were preparing to raid Pakistan again, and grab a nuke. (Remember... Pakistan is in the "nuclear club") When we went in and started looking for bin Laden, we found ourselves keeping the Taliban occupied too much to grab a nuke. That complicated our situation throughout or time there. I sort of agree that there was a better solution than the one that finally came to pass. Biden's cowardly skedaddle while arming the Taliban in the process was a terrible disaster that set the stage for the resultant aggression of our enemies. There must have been a better solution, but hindsight is always 20-20.

 

True enough about the hindsight. It took me years to admit to myself that what I was involved in in Iraq was a huge mistake for our nation, though at the time I was chomping at the bit for my unit to be deployed. I hope we learn from the mistakes we made in Iraq and Afghanistan, and not repeat them in future conflicts. I am hoping to god that we do not get dragged into another pointless war in the Middle East by Israel's shenanigans. I have a feeling our hindsight in a decade or two would not look kindly on such a war.

 

You were in Iraq? Where? I was already out of uniform by then (I'm West Point Class of '75... that means OLD!) But I spent two years in Iraq as a civilian, one at KMTB (Kir Kush Military Training Base.. collocated with Camp Caldwell) training the NEW Iraqi Army and another year at Camp Liberty on staff with 1,600 US civilian firefighters we had over there.

 

My first deployment was with 1/502, 101st Airborne during the initial invasion. After crossing the border we mopped up the cities that were bypassed during thunder run, including Najaf. Then went from Baghdad, to Karbala, then up to Mosul. We fortified a train station hotel up there and spent the rest of the deployment up there.

My second deployment was to Baghdad in '05 with 3/67, 4ID. We were in FOB Rustimiyah.

Third deployment was in '09 back up to Mosul with 3/8 Cav, 1st Cav. We were up at FOB Marez, right by Diamondback at the airfield up there.

My final deployment was also with 3/8 in 2011 to FOB Adder, down near Nasiriyah. We handed the base over to the Iraqis when we left there. It was pretty cool seeing the Great Ziggurat of Ur every day there, right outside the base.

I was an infantryman, so after the initial invasion it was mostly presence patrols, building relations with the locals, raids, and pulling security. There were periods where we were doing joint operations with the Iraqi Military, but I always hated that. It was like herding cats keeping them focused on the mission. Every time I turned around I would find them sitting on some stairs with their kevlar off, drinking some chai with their AK leaning against a wall. Some of them were pretty good though.

 

Good to hear that about the Iraqi Soldiers. We had some real problems at KMTB during their Basic. The Shia's hated the Sunnis and vice versa. And then there was the language problems with the Kurds. I had an I-T (Interpreter-Translator) joined to me at the hip, a young kid that had studied English at Baghdad University. His fiancé had been abducted and killed by Uday and Qusay (Sadaam's sons) so he decided to help us. We graduated the first battalion on 3 October, 2003. We immediately had a mutiny because the Iraqi police were paid more (they didn't live in the barracks and eat in the DFAC) and the graduates found out they wouldn't be stationed in their hometowns, which someone told them they would be. Good memories. I still stay in touch with Ayman (my I-T). His relatives were being threatened and an uncle was murdered because he helped us. We tried to get him to America but it didn't work. He ended up going to Australia with his mother and sister.

By the by... I was Enlisted for a year before entering West Point. I was an 11B but spent most of that year at West Point Prep (USMAPS). I was Commissioned Field Artillery.

 

yeah, the interpreters were brave individuals. We lost one of ours. He didn’t show up at the FOB one day. We found out later he had been found with his throat slashed. He was a good man.

I would love to visit there again when all of the animosity in the region has died down. I grew to love the culture of the people there. While building relations with the people in the various sectors we worked, we grew close to many households. On many occasions we were invited in for meals or chai. I found them to be a wonderful, hospitable, family-oriented people. I hope one day travel and relations with the region improves to the point where travel and tourism becomes more feasible. There is a lot I’d love to see and do that just wasn’t possible. Maybe one day.

a buddy of mine went “green to gold” as well. We were both young sergeants and team leaders in the initial invasion in 2003. I’m retired now, but he’s a major now, doing something with space and satellites down in Alabama.

 

He must be at Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville. Great place. I did a lot of work there TDY adapting MILES for Apache, Kiowa Warriors, G/VLLD and more. I also did some work with Reagan's Star Wars building there. (Not to be confused with the Star Wars building at NTC/Ft Irwin). Army Aviation and Missile Command is at Redstone. I used to stay in the Marriott in Huntsville when I was there. I'd often walk to the nearby NASA Marshall Space Flight Center. It's the ergonomics center for NASA (eating in space, defecating, computer-human interfaces, etc.) It has an amazing museum to visit and is also the home of famous NASA "Space Camp" for youngsters. Fascinating.

 

Nice, I’ll have to check it all out when I get down there to visit him. I’ve always been fascinated by aviation and space exploration history.

 

I'm sure that there are more than a few Democrats who are rooting for Iran to win, which is ironic, given their dislike for Putin's Russia. There is not much difference between Putin's Russia and Iran.

 

The Biden Admin had a big hand in starting all of the violence in that region. What did they think would happen when they gave Iran a whole ton of cash?

 

I think the killing of Bin Laden was very important and it could have been a huge event had President Bush and his team prosecuted that war properly. The mistakes they made in Tora Bora and trying to partner up with Afghans was a huge mistake. Had Bin Laden been killed there and the US simply returned home and not spent trillions but fostered relationships instead, it would have had a huge political influence in America and in the Middle East.

The US came to light and stayed too long without enough will to deliver the needed prosecution at the point.

 

'm sure that there are more than a few Republicans who are rooting for Iran to win due to their dislike of Jews... remember those "very fine people" chanting "blood and soil, Jews will not replace us"

 

If Iran attacks Israel, I think we should condemn the act of violence, beyond that we should do absolutely nothing. We should remain militarily neutral. No more weapons to warmongers.

 

All of that shrinks to insignificance in light of Biden's cowardly skedaddle from Afghanistan, accompanied by his arming the Taliban with billions of dollars of US military equipment. That amazingly cowardly action emboldened our enemies to become more aggressive.

We got embroiled in Afghan and found it difficult to just leave. At the time, the Taliban was successfully conducting raids into Pakistan with such targets as military installations (including the Pakistan Military Academy), police facilities and more. Our presence disrupted thee efforts. It was thought at the time that the Taliban would raid Pakistan to grab nuclear weapons and our presence was preventing that. This situation made it difficult for us to leave.

 

They will warn Israel not to defend themselves to not escalate the situation any further.