Luigi Mangione and Daniel Penny display the scale of acceptance for vigilante violence

Emotions and adrenaline can affect someone who is not trained in such situations. Penny made a spur of the moment decision to protect people while risking his own life.

 

agree, never said otherwise, thus I would have gone with manslaughter vs murder

a long 6 min chokehold is also not spur of the moment, that is a lot of moment, it's many moments that he could of stopped

 

So yes you are claiming that the autopsy missed evidence of brain death do to oxygen deprivation.

 

you still are not reading, it was lack of blood to the brain, he was not strangled of air

 

No one is claiming he was strangled No matter how many times you put forth that straw man it remains but a pathetic scarecrow disconnected from reality. A brained killed by lack of oxygen is easily identified. If that is what killed him the autopsy would have found it as well bruising around the carotid. I found neither. It did find a dangerous in fact lethal cocktail of drugs in his system

 

the claim was he was not strangled cause he had "no damaged larnx or throat bones"

people die from using a sock to cut off the blood supply during sex, without damaged larnx or throat bones

 

That was not my claim. My claim was that he died of a lethal cocktail of drugs not from anything else complicated by a schizophrenic episode. No one has proven anything else. Conjecture is not evidence.

 

never said it was, he would still be alive today if not for the choe hold

 

Have you not read any of the Old Testament? Deuteronomy for example? The Jews call the OT their Torah.

 

I’m familiar with the Old Testament but as a Christian I am more focused on the New Testament and God’s new laws. But what does the superiority of Jews have to do with the OT?

 

I am happy to read you focus more on the New Testament!

It is in the OT that we are told that the Jews were God's Chosen People, that they were superior to all others. Or that all others were inferior to the Jews, however one wishes to express it.

I think it's Chapter 7 of Deuteronomy that instructs the Jews to kill others (inferior to themselves). Numerous older biblical names, other tribes. So for Christians raised on the Schofield Bible in the last century, their most fundamental article of faith is that the Jews are superior to other races/religions.

 

I do believe the Jews are the chosen people but they were never intended to be superior to others. In God’s eyes we are all his children therefore equals in every way. Human failings have incorrectly interpreted God’s choice.

 

Plain English and logic demand that if one race is chosen, the others are rejected. If one race is declared superior, then others necessarily are inferior. That fallacy is the cornerstone of the very serious problem with the Zionist philosophy. Einstein recognized that nearly a century ago.

 

yep

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Chronicles+15:13&version=KJV
"
2 Chronicles 15:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
"

 

Again man’s logic. Does God explain why he chose the Jews? No. But if I were to guess like you have God chose the Jews to be the scapegoat for all the wrong that is happening throughout the history of the world. Not exactly the kind of honor a people would want bestowed on them.

 

I dont understand your central premise.

He threatened everyone's life and was rightfully restrained as a result. It is not known if he has a gun knife, razor blade, screwdriver etc., but given his threat, it is logical to assume and plan for the prospect that he has the capability to follow through with his threat.

Once restrained, he cannot be let go until the police come, or the hero is subject to whatever method of killing the person threatened to employ. To let go of him would have put the hero's life in direct danger.

For the person threatening everyone around him, when you play stupid games you win stupid prizes. His death was nobody's fault but his own.

 

choke holds are not meant to be long term restraints

 

The man threatened everyone's life.

Restraining him until the police come is 100% reasonable.

His death is no ones fault but his own. The hero did exactly what was necessary to neutralize this threat on life and limb.

If you had someone threatening your life neutralized, would you let him go before the police came?

 

not a multi-minute chokehold

 

OK....so you have someone in what you are calling a chokehold, but is also just a headlock that is the only way of holding him at that moment. You also would logically be assuming that the police in a subway station are surely just another moment away.

You are going to just let go of the person threatening death so that he could have access to whatever he was threatening? Would you try to let go so you could get another grip on him? How does that work? The hero is on his back the person threatening to kill is on top, how exactly do you change positions without enabling him to have access to whatever he is threatening?

 

yep, I would have switched to twisting an arm behind his back or something, there was multiple people there to help, I would never risk my freedom over a chokehold for multi minutes

 

....and what if you weren't successful and he escaped your control you may very well be killed (at least if his threat is to be believed)?

I dont believe you. You may think you would switch positions. The reality is you would likely not take that risk when actually faced with your own life and death proposition.

Whether you would or would not, you certainly are under no obligation to take that risk. That mans death is nobody's fault but his own. You play stupid games; you win stupid prizes. The main thing here is that the hero did not get killed while doing his good deed for society. His death is sad, but it is his own fault.

 

disagree, the chokehold lead to his death, I think both did things wrong that day

 

The bad guy was unable to carry out his threat and the hero survived along with the train full of frightened passengers.

Threatening to kill people is a bad idea. He learned that lesson the hard way.

 

sure