Major Study Finds Masks Don’t Reduce COVID-19 Infection Rates <<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. gfm7175

    gfm7175 Well-Known Member

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    Indeed. I still can't get the image of an airline kicking off a family (and banning them for life, if I remember correctly) because their two year old refused to wear a face mask that was almost the size of his/her head.

    People who wish to force this upon ANYONE, let alone two year olds, are downright sick and Satanically influenced...
     
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    Teaching your kids to live in fear (and to reject science, mathematics, and engineering) is doing them a HUGE disservice (in my opinion, anyway)...
     
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    Yes, so I wouldn't do that.
     
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    Or completely and utterly stupid.
     
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    That's precisely what you are claiming you would do.
     
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    To accept science, mathematics and engineering. Oh and not listen to crackpots who claim masks don't work in reducing infection.

    I would teach them that washing your hands never kills all the germs but enough to give your immune system the advantage. And that masks wont stop all virus escaping there bodies but will limit it enough to give others a chance.
     
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    Masks don't work in reducing infection. Mask pores are far too large to stop super small viruses, you see... All it takes is one virus to potentially cause an infection.

    Hand washing after using the bathroom and before eating meals is a good idea.

    There is no virus inside of one's body TO escape if one is not sick to begin with... Masks do not stop viruses from coming out of sick people... Again, the pores are far too large to stop viruses and there are still gaps in masks that air escapes through. Viruses escape through those very same gaps that the air escapes through.

    Viruses are all over in the air, everywhere. Mask wearing does not change that. There is absolutely no reason to be wearing a mask around everywhere you go.
     
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    wrong. Most of the virus is encapsulated in water droplets which are trapped by the masks.
    obviously.
    wrong again.
    No they are not. They are bound by the rules of gravity just like everything else. They are destroyed by UV light and they survive outside the human body for only 3-4 hours.
     
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    Wrong. While some virus is encapsulated in water droplets, much more virus is on its own. Viruses do not require nor are forever-bound to water droplets. Water droplets evaporate almost instantly.

    Argument of the Stone.

    Yes, yes they are. They are all over in the air.

    Correct, except that viruses can actually survive for much longer than 3-4 hours (if conditions are optimal).
     
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    That is wrong, but even if it were right the mask would still hold some back. But its wrong almost all virus emitted from your body is coughed or sneezed out in droplets. neither do the droplets evaporate immediately leaving the virus in the air, viruses do not have wings. And if they are in water droplets they are caught by the mask.

    This is not a matter of debate, these are facts. I will not continually refute your claims, it is enough that I tell folks your claims are wrong and they can then decide for themselves.
     
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    Nope. Viruses are not solely bound, nor forever-bound, to droplets. They can be expelled out of an infected person all on their own.
     
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    You choose your words carefully. 'not solely bound'. The vast majority are carried out of the body in water droplets, which you carefully don't deny.
     
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    I've already addressed the water droplet scripture...
     
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    The vast majority are carried out of the body in water droplets, which you carefully don't deny.
     
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    You are misusing the word 'intelligent'. A better choice would be 'gullible'.
     
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    In my view, all things considered, it is child abuse. If they could make the case that the infection is worse than the flu by some significant factor, things might be different. If they could make the case that masks are effective in stopping the airborne transmission of virus, things might be different.

    Scamdemic is the word. The psychological damage done to the children will be irreparable.
     
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    Fact remains:
    You've not watched the vid of March where he, according to you, he lied.
    You have not quoted him word for word in that vid where you claimed he lied.

    If you got nothing else to say... than I'll be ending this non discussion.

    All you do is making up nonsense to shift the blame of Donald to Fauci.
    It was well known there was a massive shortage. Fauci's advise was based on that shortage in March.
    And Donald didn't do a thing about it. That's his job, just like it was his job to get the vacines.
     
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    I’ve quoted word for word from the video. Numerous times.
    I’ve made nothing up. Just quoted Fauci word for word.

    You are a funny guy. I appreciate your help in educating the rest of PF on this subject.
     
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    Bingo.
     
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    Please don't compare my children with yours.
     
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    We both know you never quoted from the 60 minutes interview from March that I sources, yet you claimed he lied there.

    I can't say the same about you. You're level of humor seems to be lacking by the same degree you're unable to respect that Fauci did say that it's his entire point (and he did say "point") that there aren't enough masks for everybody and only the true sick people and the medical staff should have them. We all know he said that. And you're just here to sweettalk the abysmal reaction of Donald, who was against masks, who was aiming that it all would go away like a miracle, Hydroxychloroquine, to even rant about injecting yourself with a disinfectant. Dude is a total loser. Incompetent. Impeached twice and voted out of the office. The people have spoken.

    Hope Biden is able to get the vaccines into the arms of people.
    Donald never cared. We all know operation warp speed is massively behind schedule.
    Just like the facemasks.... it's Donalds fault he didn't arrange enough of them.
     
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    Of course I quoted from it. Here it is from post #1182. I’ve provided this quote numerous times.
    I think it’s terrible Fauci killed thousands with his lies. I don’t find that funny at al. I have no respect for Fauci at this point. He’s a pathological lier.
    Please quote me sweet talking Trump. LOL. Your fallacious arguments are duly noted.

    Yes, hopefully Biden can help incompetent states like CA. But he better leave competent states alone. We don’t need his help.
     
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    You've only put up 1 sentence from an entire interview.
    It's missing the sentence where he says that it was his point that this has to be done because there is a massive shortage of masks.


    You keep on deliberately cherry picking 1 line to end up with a dishonest conclusion.
    I told you so often before. You're not responding that you're leaving out that part.
    Hence you've lost the argument. You're like Donald now, unwilling to accept defeat.


    The only thing that is terrible is you cherry picking 1 line and ignoring everything else to come with such a deranged conclusion.

    Your dishonest cherry picking ways are duly noted. We all know you're a Trump supporter, trying to whitewash your hydroxychloroquine hero's insanity.
     
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    LOL. I’ve repeatedly lamented the shortage of masks, clearly not missing his “point”.

    The statements of Fauci I’ve quoted are lies. It doesn’t matter how you try and justify them. You are just like Trump. You think lying is acceptable.

    I abhor lying by both Trump and Fauci. You love lies as long as you are told they are acceptable. You love lies that lead to death of thousands if it advances a political agenda. Just like Trump. I think that’s why some people dislike Trump so much. They see their own propensity to making false statements mirrored in his behavior and they react negatively, hoping their criticisms of Trump deflects attention away from their own failings.
     
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    Giving an opinion is not a lie. His opinion in February was that masks were not necessary for the general population based on the number of cases at the time and his opinion was that advising mask wear for the general population would cause a shortage of masks for the health care personnel which would be a bigger concern. And as an aside one of his reasons for his opinion on not advising national mask wear were the same as yours
     

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