Man falsely accused of Rape

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The story of a man who was sentenced to 10 years in prison because a woman was trying to get money

    (You can also read another related thread discussion: We need to STOP giving alleged rape victims any money )

    The below is a summary of a long story. If you want to read the full story you can read it here, but it is very long: http://www.fathersmanifesto.net/falling.htm ( story is 8 pages long, with 50 more pages of commentary )

    I've summarised the story down to just one page, trying to keep the most important facts.


    Man falsely accused of rape

    It was 1985 and James Donald Anderson was 24 years old. Anderson had checked himself into an alcohol treatment center, in Salem, Oregon, where he became friends with a young woman. On their last night there, they had sex. Anderson did not know it at the time but this would later turn out to be the biggest mistake of his life. It would not be until 3 years later that Anderson found out that he was wanted as a fugitive for first degree rape, after he was arrested on an unrelated weapons charge in Alaska.

    It was not until 4 months after his arrest that Anderson had any idea why he was wanted for rape in Oregon. It turned out that woman from so long ago had claimed she had been raped so she could file a lawsuit against the treatment center for money. The attorney for the treatment center sent a private detective to the jail in Alaska to take Anderson's statement about what happened to use in court. When Anderson called the detective a month later, he was informed that the civil trial had already taken place since they last met, and that the woman had won her case. After serving eight months in jail in Alaska for the weapons charge, Anderson was extradited to Oregon.

    Anderson's dad hired an attorney for him and he was released on bail, pending the trial. It turned out the woman who was accusing him had a history of filing false rape accusations. At one point she had even accused her own brother. Unknown to Anderson at the time, the woman had severe emotional issues and was a drug addict. She had been kicked out of the detox center for not being willing to enter long term treatment. The attorney told Anderson he believed she was a desperate, homeless woman, who had wanted to get back at the treatment center by suing them. After the woman won $24,000 in the civil trial, a rape crisis counselor put pressure on her to proceed and get the man who raped her convicted.

    The "victim's" testimony in the civil trial was very convincing, and there was a flood of tears. The attorney told Anderson that the rape crisis councilor had likely coached her on her testimony and rehearsed with her how to squeeze as much sympathy out of a jury as possible and cry on cue.

    The trial began on November 27, 1989.

    Unbelievably, the judge refused to allow Anderson's attorney to bring up the woman's prior history of false rape complaints, citing Oregon's Rape Shield Law (despite the fact that the law should not have prevented this evidence from being introduced).

    The trial took place in the night. The judge had a crowded calendar and refused to reschedule. Anderson remembers that the jury was tired and looked like they just wanted to go home. Eight of the twelve jurors were women over fifty years old. Anderson noticed two of them appeared to have dozed off at one point in the long trial.

    On the witness stand, the young woman told jurors that Anderson had ripped off her clothes, dragged her to the floor, and violently raped her. She testified that she tried to fight him off, but he was too strong. She claimed to have locked herself in a bathroom and cried all night. This testimony greatly differed from earlier reports she had made to police, and also contradicted witnesses who were workers at the treatment facility at the time. But the stream of crocodile tears was enough to convince the jury.

    The judge sentenced Anderson to 10 years in prison.

    Fortunately, 6 months later at a parole hearing, he was able to convince a Parole Board that he was not guilty. At this hearing he was able to show evidence to them that he had not been permitted to show during the trial. The Parole Board did not have the legal power to release him but was able to reduce his prison time to only 4 years.
    However, only a month after the hearing, frustrated that he had to serve time in prison for a crime he did not commit, he escaped from prison, was recaptured 18 months later, and was sentenced to additional prison time for the escape.
    But after that, another Parole Board reversed the decision and decided to add back 2 of the years to the sentence, and on top of that he still had to serve an additional 14 months for the escape.
    (So altogether it looks like he spent 7 years and 2 months in prison, after having spent 8 months in prison in Alaska, although the story is not the most clear about this)


    The man also had this to say:

    I already have served over four years in prison for a so-called date rape I did not commit. A crime I was convicted of with absolutely no evidence, only my word against my accuser's.
    I escaped from prison once and received additional prison time. I view my escape as fully justified because I feel I am a political prisoner in the feminist controlled state of Oregon. Now, to add insult to injury, the Oregon Parole Board added 2 years to my prison term because I refuse to fully "confess" to a crime I did not commit and volunteer to enter "treatment" at the maximum security Ward 41B at the Oregon State Mental Hospital for violent sexual deviants and predators.

    My accuser was a former mental patient, drug addict, alcoholic, who had a history of falsely accusing men of sexual abuse and was falsely accusing me in order to file a 1 million dollar lawsuit (against an alcohol treatment center).

    The judge overseeing my trial ruled that all this evidence could not be used in court because it could embarass the "victim," even though the only evidence of any crime was her word against mine. The Governor of Oregon has yet to rule if over 4 years out of my life is enough punishment for a crime I did not commit.

    To make a long story short, I have rotted in prison for over 4 years because according to "feminist law" when a woman accuses a man of rape you cannot question her about her accusation or motives, even when there is no evidence of a crime. The so-called justice system is rigged to insure a conviction.

    I was sentenced to serve 10 years in prison solely on the word of a deranged woman's accusation, who, in the past, told one of her many psychologists that she hated men and wanted to get back at them. This time, with the help of the local Rape Crisis Center where she was coached on how to act like a real victim ...

    In 1990, a few months before my first prison break, I went in front of the "old" Parole Board to determine how long I would actually spend in prison. Also in attendance was my so-called "victim" and her buddy from the Rape Crisis Center. I was allowed to present the Parole Board with all the evidence that was not allowed in my trial. They deducted 6 years from my prison term and declared:
    1. the "victim" was not harmed in any way.
    2. the "victim" was not threatened in any way.
    3. the "crime" contained no violence.
    4. the "victim" may have aided in the "crime."
    Shortly after this hearing, I escaped from prison, only to be recaptured 18 months later and given more prison time.

    It is now 1995 and I should have been paroled from my unjust conviction and starting to do my 14 month prison term for the escape. However, the Parole Board in Oregon is "new and improved," reflecting political changes here in Oregon. The Parole Board now has only 3 members, 2 women and 1 minority male. White males are no longer allowed to serve, because this would be considered sexist and racist, even though the Oregon prison population is 70 percent white male and only 5 percent female.

    One of the new members of the Parole Board even runs a Rape Crisis Center herself in Hillsboro, Oregon, when she is not giving men additional prison sentences to serve. Not that she would have any bias against men. Yeah, right.

    A few weeks after I filed [papers] with the Governor's Office [petitioning the governor to commute the prison sentence], the new Parole Board retaliated by ordering that before they would parole me I must pass a State Psychological Exam to prove I am not a "danger to society." Well, I took their damn State Psych test and passed it. My father hired a psychologist from the streets and I passed his psych test, also. I went to see the Parole Board again on April 6, 1995, and presented them with these 2 positive psych evaluations, my college degree completed in prison, my excellent prison conduct (besides escape), and an outstanding "parole package" stating I had a job waiting for me and a place to live. My attorney was positive I would receive parole. The Parole Board would have no reason to deny it.

    Think again. Not only did they deny it, but they added two years to my prison term. They stated that even though I had 2 positive psych evaluations, they did not have to consider them, and ruled that I: "(have) a severe mental and emotional disturbance that predisposes him to violent crime rending him far too dangerous for the safety of the community." Parole denied!

    They had come to this conclusion with absolutely no evidence or anything that would suggest I am a "danger to society" and should remain behind bars. They also stated that in 2 years I will come in front of them again to see if I still have a "severe mental and emotional disorder" and should be given more prison time. I told the Parole Board I was done with them and would not see them again.

    Because I refuse to confess to something I did not do, show "remorse" and apologize to my so-called "victim," and because of my pro-male activism in prison, my research into false allegations of rape, my organization -- S.A.F.A.R. -- and my outspokenness against Oregon's feminist movement, I am evidently to spend endless more years in prison.
    http://www.backlash.com/content/gender/1996/7-jul96/safar07.html

    (related thread discussion about one of the issues in this story: Man who has been in prison 28 years unlikely to be released unless he admits to murder )

     
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    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    Rape cases are challenging because they're hard to prove (unless the victim goes straight to the ER and has a rape assessment), but you don't want to let somebody keep getting away with it and rape again. That said, that judge made awful choices and it resulted in a miscarriage of justice, assuming all above is true. Though who knows, maybe the jury would have made the wrong decision anyway. I don't trust juries or the legal system.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, in this specific story, I'm not sure that would have proved anything, since the man said he did sleep with the alleged victim.
    (Although it's also irrelevant to this story because the woman did not immediately report any rape or get a rape test, and DNA tests were not as widely available at that time as they are now)

    It's actually very common for men to get accused of rape after sleeping with a woman. He never calls her back, disappears, and she is resentful that he has left her and feels "used".
    Most often when women have sex with a man they expect him to stay around and form a relationship with them, that is just an unstated assumption, it is very instinctual built into the subconcious female psyche. For some women it feels only natural to accuse a man who sleeps with them and then dashes, of rape. (The man has committed a sexual misdeed against the woman, which feels kind of similar to rape, after the fact, and claiming rape is the only way the woman can make sure the man is punished)

    Probably one more reason men sleeping around with women outside of marriage is often not the best idea.

    This young man had to learn that lesson the hard way.
     
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    :roflol::roflol::roflol:You're a laugh a minute
    Lol, or at all. Especially if the guy is creepy, weird, repulsive to women and/or not emotionally developed enough to form a connection with a woman - and therefore has no chance of getting laid, eh? Stop the rest from having fun ;)
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, there's the story of Joseph in the Bible. She accused him of rape after he rejected her advances.

    Think about this. You're on a jury. I'm the defense lawyer and want to show you statistics looking at how often women falsely accuse men of rape after sleeping with them. But the judge refuses to allow me to show these statistics to you.
    Sound far fetched? There's a thread about it here: Jury was not allowed to read academic paper , Real story, and you can see plenty of people saying the judge was right to block that information.

    Maybe you are not familiar with the specifics of the story of Julian Assange?
    Why did the two women go to the police and accuse him of "rape"? Only because he slept with them. His sin was sleeping with both of them. That made them angry.
    So then they went back and his actions were reinterpreted as rape. (and technically they were under the radical feminist law in Sweden, but the point is that's not really the real reason why the women complained in the first place)
    thread here: Assange Accusations in Sweden (probably too long for most of you to bother reading)
     
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    Thanks for the response and these are two well-chosen examples, both well-known to Australians actually for obvious reasons.

    The Higgins case is well-publicized. I'm sure the government official took advantage of her as an easy lay and he may have raped her and he may not of raped her. And there is absolutely no way we can tell.

    I personally don't feel like I have the faculty to make a judgement about these things either way. You could say there is a huge advantage nowadays for the woman to be believed in these situations, and yet women are grilled and chastised for coming forward.

    You could say that there is an onus on women to moderate their alcohol intake, be aware of their surroundings and what they're wearing of the company they are keeping, and yet if they neglect this are they still responsible for being raped?

    But what if they were in the mood for risky sex and then change their mind next morning? It's not easy for a guy to turn down overtures by an attractive, intoxicated flirty woman when he's drunk - yet by current law this can be considered non-consensual if he acts. This doesn't seem fair. Yet some men are predatory and will actively seek to intoxicate women for the purpose of non-intimate easy sex - which is compounded frankly by the fact that some drunk woman (& men) don't seem to mind it too much, yet sober women (& men) are more likely to avoid.

    What I would love to see is politicians keep out and honest debate from every side - and absolute mutual responsibility.
     
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    It can help in a few ways. If there is evidence of trauma, it supports non-consensual sex (not always present though). Also, the fact that she goes straight to the ER, supports that it was immediately apparent (to her, at least) that it was rape, and not some kind of buyer's remorse after thinking about it or finding out more about him. As far as the DNA evidence, true if he's already admitting sex happened it doesn't do as much, though to me physical evidence is always far better than what people say, even confessions are less reliable than physical evidence. Guys tend to exaggerate their sexual exploits, and for sure every once in a while a guy will say he had sex with a girl he didn't.

    My point was that is the ideal situation to support a rape charge. Obviously this case was not one of the ideal situations to prove a rape.

    It depends. I was kind of a man-whore in high school, and I did get falsely accused a few times. Though I was definitely more the type who did call back but not necessarily for a relationship, but rather round 5 of the same. One time, I had to take a polygraph and the police agreed to not pursue it further after I passed it - it was key that I explicitly got consent from her. And oddly enough, she never actually accused me of rape, only said that it made her uncomfortable what happened and a social worker pushed it from there. Another time, I also explicitly got consent but she told everybody who would listen at school that I forced her to do something. I think her motive was that she was embarrassed about it as she was new to the school and I was not approved of by her new clique. She never tried to go to police and my reply to the whole thing was to challenge her to do so. About 1/3 of the school hated me for awhile, but then she did it to somebody else and was discredited. There were a few others. But there was a pattern to it, they were histrionic or otherwise crazy people. Had I taken an extra day to get to know them in a basic sense, I would have known they aren't to be messed with. A normal woman wouldn't do things like that. And so increasingly I made better choices at finding women who wouldn't do something like that, based upon never dealing with that again in college or subsequent dating.

    No the natural response for a non-psycho is to say "I think we're looking for different things" and move on. Natural response is also to try to justify the sex, since it's more painful to feel taken advantage of. And sure, most women only want sex that at least leads to a long term relationship, but there are definitely exceptions and it's not that rare, especially in college. They're just people too, main difference is (usually) the lack of drive to have sex with lots of different people. But sex for sex's sake still has appeal to many women.

    He was unlucky and/or misjudged her character. He actually knew her - this wasn't a drunk girl at a party. No, it's not normal to get put away for rape for trying to have casual sex with lots of girls. It's an expected, though not necessarily liked, behavior from single men. It's highly frowned upon, but still not actually illegal, from married men as well.
     
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    If you sleep around with lots of women, your statistical chances of being falsely accused of rape will be substantially increased.

    I have another story, I've told it a few times in this thread, about a man I met who had a crazy psychotic girlfriend. He had been with her for a little over 4 years. She had a 4-year-old girl from a prior relationship (met when she was already pregnant). The man said he couldn't take any more of her and told her he was leaving her. She went into a rage and told him she'd make him regret leaving him. It wasn't an empty threat. She coached her daughter into saying that he had molested her and took her to the police. Then she went around telling everyone he knew that he had molested her daughter. Every time he ever got a girlfriend the ex-girlfriend somehow managed to track them down (despite him continually moving around different places and doing freelance computer work) and tell her about how terrible the man was, trying to make sure he would be alone the rest of his life, like if she couldn't have him no one else could. It finally drove him to commit suicide. (The police came to the house and informed us because he was temporarily renting a room from a family member at the time)
    He was a big built guy, but he had the type of personality like he wouldn't harm a flea, like an inner gentleness.
     
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    For every false accusation of rape, there are 100s of unsolved rapes.

    Neither is a good thing, but let's at least acknowledge which is a bigger problem.
     
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    I think that's mostly a red herring argument, because the majority of "unsolved rapes" the victim has no idea who the attacker is and is not accusing anyone specifically. Maybe you misspoke and used the wrong words.
     
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    Doubtful.
    But maybe there's a story you'd like to share?
     
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    Several stories have already been shared.

    Go read LiveUninhibited's post. Sleeping around with lots of women nearly got him accused of rape, on more than one occasion.

    What I think maybe a lot of you Progressives don't realize is that women's brains work differently than men's.

    When a woman has sex and then feels uncomfortable about it afterwards, she can feel "raped" (even if she knows she wasn't actually raped). In some situations it is easy for this feeling to translate into false rape accusations. Women most often don't resort to physical acts of violence to hurt people, they use their words as weapon.

    For a man, it might feeling like nothing to sleep with a woman, it might be of little consequence for him, but for a woman it is very different.
    Men have trouble understanding this, but women have all sorts of unstated expectations, and nonverbal understandings. Often if a woman sleeps with a man, she holds an unstated assumption that he is going to stay around afterwards. She would not have slept with him if she knew that was not the case.

    So from a man's perspective, it can be very hard to understand why a woman would falsely accuse him of rape, but for a woman it's obvious.
     
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    All righty then.
    1 anonymous poster makes the case for the majority of men.

    Does it ever happen, sure.
    It's rare.
     
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    How would we really know how rare it is?
    I don't really see any way we'd be able to figure that out.
    Sure, sometimes they are able to catch false accusers in their lies, but that could only be a very small percentage.

    Poor homeless drug addict woman, desperate for money, she stands to gain a sizeable amount of money from accusing a man, what is the probability we think it is that she might not be telling the truth?

    You might say "Well let's just leave that to a jury", but I am not content with that.
    I strongly think there needs to be more safeguard protections written into the law. And it seems progressives and feminists have gradually been undoing those protections, over the years. (For example, the "Rape Shield" law, which resulted in the man being wrongfully convicted in this story, or eliminating the statute of limitations, or even re-writing the definition of what rape is to make it much more expansive)
     
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    Incels are usually the ones most concerned about false rape accusations.
     
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    Do you think it's unreasonable to not punish the man for rape based only on the woman's accusations, when the woman stands to gain a large chunk of money from those accusations?

    The above story clearly shows what can go wrong with that. It's like setting up a disaster waiting to happen.

    Apparently people were too stupid to foresee this?
     
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    At some point, it's reasonable to never sleep with a woman you are not paying by the hour.

    That point might be here.
     

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