Map showing where the murders are in the U.S.

To be fair, the central region of Alaska does have a very high per capita murder rate despite being very sparsely populated.
It might have something to do with the high Native American population. The county of Yukon–Koyukuk for example (largest county by area) is 77% Native Alaskan.
Although it may look dark red on a map of counties, that is somewhat of an misleading illusion for the state since the biggest counties in area in that state have few people, so the overall homicide rate for the entire is only 7.3, which is high but not that high (about equal to Nevada, still lower than Illinois).

And yes, the "violent crime" rate in Alaska is the highest in the country, but the actual homicide rate is much lower than that, for some reason. Maybe they have a lot of bar brawls, I don't know. Alcoholism rates in Alaska are apparently pretty high due to the cold climate. High spousal abuse rate due to people being isolated in their cabins for half the year. And high ratio of males to females (10% more men than women in the entire state, but worse in certain areas).

 

Are you suggesting that people cannot “open carry”?

 

I propose we do the same for Alaska. Clearly anyone who lives in Alaska is up to no good unless proven otherwise.

 

end the war on drugs, defund the gangs

 

Nope. Clearly no room for nuance in this thread. Ban Alaska.

 

Here, I'll just do what you did.

Here are all the studies that agree with him.

What's funny is it's the same source you used, so you just skipped right over this one, didn't you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Guns,_Less_Crime

Support
A conference organized by the Center for Law, Economics, and Public Policy at Yale Law School and held at American Enterprise Institute was published in a special issue of The Journal of Law and Economics.[5] Academics of all interests in the debate were invited to participate and provide refereed empirical research.[6] As follows are some papers from that conference supported Lott's conclusions.[7]

• Bruce L. Benson, Florida State University, and Brent D. Mast, American Enterprise Institute, "Privately Produced General Deterrence", The Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001.[8]
• John R. Lott, Jr, "The Concealed-Handgun Debate," Journal of Legal Studies, January 1998.[9]
• Florenz Plassmann, State University of New York at Binghamton, and T. Nicolaus Tideman, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, "Does the right to carry concealed handguns deter countable crimes? Only a count analysis can say", The Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001.[10]
• Carlisle E. Moody, College of William and Mary, "Testing for the effects of concealed weapons laws: Specification errors and robustness," The Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001.[11]
• David E. Olson, Loyola University Chicago, and Michael D. Maltz, University of Illinois at Chicago, "Right-to-carry concealed weapons laws and homicide in large U.S. counties: the effect on weapon types, victim characteristics, and victim-offender relationships," The Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001.[12] They found "a decrease in total homicides."
• David B. Mustard, University of Georgia, "The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths," The Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001.[13]
• John R. Lott, Jr and John Whitley, "Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime," The Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001.[2]
• T. B. Marvell, Justec Research, "The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession," The Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001.[14] Marvell found evidence that right-to-carry laws reduced rape rates.

Other refereed empirical academic studies besides the original paper with David Mustard that have supported Lott's conclusions include the following.

• William Alan Bartley and Mark A. Cohen, Vanderbilt University, "The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis", Economic Inquiry, 1998.[15]
• Stephen G. Bronars, University of Texas, and John R. Lott, Jr., "Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns", American Economic Review, May 1998.[16]
• John R. Lott, Jr and John Whitley, University of Adelaide, "Abortion and Crime: Unwanted Children and Out-of-Wedlock Births," Economic Inquiry, April 2007.[17]
• John R. Lott, Jr and John Whitley, University of Adelaide, "A Note on the Use of County-Level UCR Data," Journal of Quantitative Criminology, October 2001.[18]
• Florenz Plassmann, State University of New York at Binghamton, and John Whitley, University of Adelaide, 'Confirming "More Guns, Less Crime"', Stanford Law Review, 2003.[19]
• Eric Helland, Claremont-McKenna College and Alexander Tabarrok, George Mason University, 'Using Placebo Laws to Test "More Guns, Less Crime",' The B.E. Journal of Economic Analysis & Policy, 2008.[20]
• Carlisle E. Moody, College of William and Mary, and Thomas B. Marvell, Justec Research, "The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws", Econ Journal Watch, 2008.[21]
• Carlisle E. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, "The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws," Econ Journal Watch, September 2008 [22]
• Carlisle E. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, " On the Choice of Control Variables in the Crime Equation," Oxford Bulletin of Economics and Statistics, October 2010[23]
• Carlisle E. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante, "The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws," Review of Economics & Finance, 2014[24]
• Donald J. Lacombe and Amanda Ross, "Revisiting the Question 'More Guns, Less Crime?' New Estimates Using Spatial Econometric Techniques," Social Science Research Network, 2014.[25]
• Mark Gius, "An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates," Applied Economics Letters, 2014.[26]

 

John Lott did the 2020 election map?

Who knew.

 

Oooooh! You better believe I hate those lying greedy unethical bastards! They can stay out of my country and STOP trying to lead us into the same mess you are in over there.

It is the NRA interference in Australian politics that has me on these boards

https://observer.com/2019/03/nra-new-zealand-gun-reform-australia-intervention/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...ounces-foreign-vote-meddling-after-nra-report
The NRA can rack off out of NZ as well

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/ch...st-disarmament-alongside-appeal-for-donations

 

You realize that the NRA is it's members, which includes me.

 

Not seeing the connection.

 

Interesting. Maybe this should be on the 2024 Dem party platform.

 

See once again I have to point out that I CAN handle conflicting information even and ESPECIALLY on the same site - shows the site is non partisan.

Now let us examine those two lists

Supporting

Hmmmm - Did you note this bit?

So some group affiliated with Yale who may or may not have been funded for this by outside sources held a “conference” at a right wing institute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enterprise_Institute

And then “published” those “conference papers” hmmmmm - why does this smell to high heaven?

Out of the papers listed seven came from that conference and two were co-authored by Lott himself!

Out of the 12 papers listed that were not from that conference all but two were published in economics journals. Research of this type is actually better done by epidemiologists

Three of those papers are co- authored by Lott four by Carlisle Moody

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlisle_Moody

Do you need me to go on?

Opposition List

You know what? I am going to leave this one up to you

 

Well, who are they “stop and frisking”?

 

Do YOU support overturning of another country’s laws?

 

So far all you've done is use the logical fallacy of appeal to authority, which is par for the course.

You want to just reject conclusions based on where they came from and claim that's "debunking" all day or would you like to offer an argument based on your own thoughts on his paper.

 

Aren't you here supporting overturning the 2A from a foreign country?

 

People in the high crime areas based on similar criteria to New York's stop and frisk policy, which was wildly successful.

 

what an idiotic reason. You're mad that the NRA opposes nanny state laws so you want to come here and get thrashed for all the silly arguments you post in your ill-fated attempt to be the self appointed avenger for a nanny state government. OMG is that hilarious. Maybe US USA Citizens who get tired of foreigners and their lies about our rights ought to bombard Australian boards as payback? Since you are motivated by your hard on for the NRA I want to thank you. Because you PROVE WHAT I HAVE SAID FOR DECADES. anti gun advocates are NOT ABOUT CRIME CONTROL or public safety but they are left wing zealots who hate pro gun groups like the NRA

Thanks again, you have been oh so helpful to my cause

 

Actually what I really really want is to stop senseless murders but until we can convince people that more guns = more gun crime I don’t really see that happening. But the NRA has done so much harm to America that it will take at least three generations to turn it around.
https://www.marieclaire.com/politics/a27584221/gun-violence-myths-debunked/

it has been a long long time since it was just an association of gun enthusiasts- it stopped being that the day it started being the advertising arm for the armament industry

 

No I am not

How could I?

I am debating a topic that interests me - the underpinning sociological differences in the way my countrymen think of guns and the way yours do. Question is - why are so many of you threatened by someone who cannot even vote in your country?

 

Nope! And as usual you have misinterpreted what that logical fallacy means. Now I have shown there is considerable probable bias in your list - can you show us the same in mine?

 

LoL so you don't know what the appeal to authority logical fallacy either.

You haven't shown any bias. Proposing a source is biased because it doesn't agree with you without having the ability to articulate why is yet another logical fallacy.

 

Except for the part where you admitted the reason you were here is to oppose the NRA.

In the same thread even. There's a chef's kiss.

 

this is confused silliness-you said you came here to harangue Americans because you you are upset with the NRA supporting gun rights in Australia. The NRA's only contribution to harm was compromising with constitution hating gun banner. I bet more Australians have committed serious felonies in the USA compared to NRA members

 

threatened? LOL, I see you as black knight material