Mary Cheney Takes on Drag Queens

Uh oh! A bit of disunity in the GBLT community. Mary Cheney is a lesbian who questions why a dude can dress up like a woman to entertain people with all kinds of anti-woman misogynistic stereotypes, but it is not okay for a white person to put on blackface and make fun of blacks? She thinks both should be okay or both should be banned. I'm surprised that she's on the fence here. Which is it? Should we ban the drag queens and the people running around in blackface or laugh at both of them?

I say we laugh at Mary Cheney for being a bumbling moron.

 

That's actually an interesting point to make. The question ultimately boils down to why do drag queen exists in the first place? Is it because they're making fun of women, or is it something else?

 

Blackface is generally not tolerated because it was used as away to poke fun at blacks in a mean way. Not all blackface performances are this way but I think that is the reason. It's origins had issues.

I am not aware of drag queens doing such to poke fun at women. That is the difference IMO.

 

Well apparently Mary Cheney feels that the drag queens are insulting to women.

 

And just like Gays, Conservatives, Liberals, Dems, and the GOP, there isn't one person that speaks for ALL and there are many differing opinions on subjects. Your attempt to make it seem otherwise is irrelevant as most of your comments are.

Mary Cheney is free to her opinion, just like I am free to mine and say she is wrong. Imagine that.

 

One person's opinion does not equal "disunity in the GBLT community", which is not a singular community, but several groups that have joined together to fight political attacks from right-wing organizations, directed toward persons who don't conform to their ideas about sex, gender identity, gender expression, and sexual orientation.

Individuals who are gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender, etc. are allowed to criticize each other without that amounting to "disunity in the GBLT community" on a larger scale.

I would say that Cheney doesn't understand drag, which isn't necessarily always trading in misogynistic, negative stereotypes or belittling women. Individual drag performers have their own styles/personas/reasons for doing drag. I'm not persuaded we can necessarily say the same about blackface, which does generally trade on negative racial stereotypes.

I say we ignore her, as her fifteen minutes of fame were over a long time ago.

 

There are also Drag Kings (though less known). Are they wrong too? Cheney bases her conclusion on the premise that Drag Queens are making fun of women. Dressing like a woman and expressing feminine qualities, however, does not constitute making fun of women. Mary Cheney is simply wrong, as her argument is based on a totally false premise.

 

The GBLT community keeps growing as people come up with new and innovative ways to pervert sexuality. Facebook has 56 gender options. 40 years ago there were 2.

It's not so much that right-wing people are attacking these groups as it is everyone is gender-bender fatigued. Enough already. Even liberals like Billy Crystal want them to get back in the closet.

 

The whole lot are a bunch of attention whores. Look at me, look at me!

No, go away and act like a fool somewhere else.

 

No more an attention whore than say Clint Eastwood talking to an empty chair. Celebrities, politicians, and activists alike are attention whores many times. The only thing that differs is those that support them.

 

Well, comedy is insulting. If it doesn't offend anybody than it probably isn't funny. Very, VERY few comics have the ability to be funny without insulting somebody. Only one name comes to mind for me.

If people are insulted, they don't have to like it. One comic comes to mind that insults everybody and doesn't care about the crybabies. Daniel Tosh.

 

Likely, the OP got this off of the Drudge Report or some other rightwing aggregate which is anti-gay and is trying to create the image of "discord in the LGBT community" to push their own agenda.

Oddly, the same rightwing "news" sources gave the Cheney Family a "pass" on Mary being gay....while the GOP was still in its fully anti-gay hysteria mode (that fortunately is now coming to an end). Out of partisan reasons, of course.

 

Baloney - right wing organizations have been attacking the rights of gay people for decades. Oh, and if you're going to imply that I'm a 'pervert', I'm going to consider that to be name-calling, and ignore you. Clearly you have an agenda here - one that doesn't include engaging the points brought up by those who respond to your posts. Instead you trot out red herrings like facebook policies, and twist the statements on the subject made by an actor into something they never were. Crystal never said that gay people should go back in the closet.

We're done.

Edit: One last thing - if you want things to go back to the way they were 40 years ago, invent a time machine. We're not going back in the closet just because you hate the fact that we're free to do things of which you disapprove.

 

Never said you were a pervert. You'd have to set a pretty low bar on tolerance if you are implying there are no perverts however.

We don't have to go back to 40 years ago. But I'm became very militant anti-same sex marriage when the militant gays rejected any idea of compromising with idea of civil unions once promoted by Barack Obama.

The idea that a man can marry a man is ludicrous. But then forcing people who have religious objections to comply or face losing their jobs or livelihoods, or facing civil or criminal prosecution for non-compliance is a violation of the First Amendment.

 

"Freedom of religion means freedom to hold an opinion or belief, but not to take action in violation of social duties or subversive to good order," - Chief Justice Waite, there is no violation of the 1st Amendment as far as a for profit organisation is concerned when they discriminate against a specific group of people.

 

Whether engaged in a for profit or not, people, individuals, have an individual right to freedom of religion.

You want to take that right away.

 

your religious proclivities are your problem. If your religion forbids you to be in business, find another business, or find another religion.

People's religions shouldn't be relevant in this discussion.

 

Nope, they can be whatever religion they want. Providing special protections for religious people isn't the job of the government. If your beliefs prevent you from doing business in your state or local home, tough.

Mormons are forbidden to drink alcohol, we don't need laws demanding non alcoholic beverages only be sold.

Why on earth would we allow such protections for other religions? What makes them so special?

 

I understand that your bias' preclude you from looking at this objectively. But basically, your view is like this, "You as a publisher must print 'Mein Kompf' or go to jail. Why don't you find another religion you dirty Jew?"

 

See in my eyes, your views on religion would make that dirty Mormon drink the alcohol and if he didn't like it, he can change religions. That is your view.

 

Your view is skewed so that you may be the victim.

You are from the stand point of forcing the state to make laws restricting alcohol because it's against your religion. Viewing as you do is incorrect.

 

Project much?

No they aren't. They are that publishers can print Mein Kompf And that people from your position are saying any books that go against your religion must be forbidden because your religion is special and those practicing it deserve special rights.

 

You see, in my country, I don't have to bake the cake for a gay couple, because it is against my religion. It's a free country, go somewhere else.

In your country, the Jewish baker, must bake the cake for Hitler's birthday with the swastika on it or be forced to go out of business or go to jail.

 

It is a free country, and don't bake cakes for who ever you wish. I just don't care to hear the sob story when you get sued.

My country is the United states of America and no such thing occurs here.

 

In your country, they are not only forced to read "Mein Kompf", but if they can't recite it on demand, the SS is called and they are flogged and beaten. The neighbors will report them and spy on them.

"You must hire me, you can't refuse to hire me because I'm gay. You must pay for benefits for same sex partner. You must be socially accepting of me and my beliefs and treat me with respect in public like you would a heterosexual."

"But this is a privately owned business. We publish Christian books which teach that homosexuality is a sin."

"What? That is offensive to me! You must stop printing these books or I'll file a civil lawsuit."

"But this is why I won't hire you, you will drive me out of business."

"You deserve to be out of business. You are a bigot!"

"Get out!"