Medical Boards to sanction physicians who spread Covid misinformation

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  1. Kranes56

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    We can... because it happened before. A more apt metaphor would be refusing to certify a racist doctor because the racist doctor spouts off on racial inferiority of black people and why it's perfectly acceptable to neglect pain killers for black women because "they don't feel pain".
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't even know where to begin with you.

    It's becoming obvious to me now why and how the Nazis were able to take over the German medical establishment so thoroughly and quickly.
    You don't dare speak out or you risk losing certification. Social control.
    Terrorism through damaging professional reputations.
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's not discrimination, to refuse to endorse a physician who is deliberately spouting hurtful information that damages the public.
    You want to say whatever you want? Well, guess what, there's consequences to that.
     
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    You could begin with "yeah that makes sense. We don't want doctors spouting off bad science. Good thing we have things like medical tests to help make sure bad medicine like this is ignored".

    And yeah! It's a problem. For better or for worse professionals are expected to be... professional. Go figure.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Except this is a controversial issue, and it's not obviously "bad science". Some people believe it's bad science.
     
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    "You don't dare speak out..." - that supposes that what you're speaking out is truthful, while what you and your fellow anti-vaxxers speak out about is a bunch of lies that kill people. Big difference.
     
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    There's absolutely NOTHING controversial about it. Only in the sick mind of anti-vaxxers, and the evil minds of con-artists that peddle snake oil alternative cures.

    "Some" people believe it's bad science?

    What about 99.9% of the people? (I'm not talking about the general public; I'm talking about doctors).
     
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    Your position isn't so obvious as you think it is.

    Yeah, isn't that the irony? You're talking about doctors, but some of those doctors are too scared to speak up.
     
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    Your message came as a blank.
    Which is a great improvement over your usual messages.
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    Ah OK, now it's not a blank and you're back to your lies.
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    It's very simple.
    What I say is truthful and scientific.
    What you say is lies, misinformation, and junk science.
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    I asked you a few times but you dodge the question: are you being paid to spout your lies here?
     
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    Who?
    There are no serious and well-trained doctors who believe in your anti-vaxxer lies.
    Some quacks who peddle alternative cures do exist. Their licenses should be cancelled. Thankfully now the medical boards are planning to do just that.
    Are you being paid to spout your lies? How much?
     
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    Like the medical profession that doesn't rely on conspiracy theories from weird uncle Joe. If you encourage people to take experimental drugs it's bad science because... it's not safe to do. Ivermectin might one day be shown to treat Covid. But until that day comes encouraging people to think it's okay to take is dangerous because it's relatively accessible, relatively cheap (especially for underinsured or without insurance), and without medical supervision in case something goes wrong. That's why doctors need to be careful of what they say. Because people will get hurt if they're not careful.
     
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    Do you think they will actually lose their licenses or will they just have to pay fines?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The vaccine IS an experimental drug.

    These other drugs, they were refusing to do studies for political reasons, because they wanted to reinforce the political narrative of the vaccine being THE only option. Anything Trump pointed to, they wanted to discredit.
    Yes, they are willing to have people die, for petty political ends.

    If another drug works, they are afraid it won't be nearly as effective and then more people might not get the vaccine, and in their minds if everyone doesn't get the vaccine lots of people will die (which isn't even rational, but human decisions are not always based on rational thinking).

    From some preliminary studies I've seen, drugs like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine might only be 20-40% as effective as the vaccine.
    (Actually probably a lot more than that compared to the version of the vaccine being used in Asia)
     
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    State Medical Boards have a range of disciplinary actions they can take, starting with a private letter of concern (equivalent to a Cease and Desist letter), then a public letter of concern, then fines, then suspension of licensure, then revocation. They will probably start with the more gentle action and if the doctor then corrects the behavior, they will stop there. If the doctor persists, more serious sanctions will follow up to and including revocation of medical license.
     
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    More lies.
    One, the Pfizer vaccine is no longer experimental and the Moderna will probably be granted the same status in days/weeks.
    Two, the studies ARE being done. I posted many here. Why in the hell do you say the studies aren't being done? Another one of your lies. It's just that the conclusions of the studies are not the ones you hoped for.
    YOUR posting is killing people.
    Are you being paid to post these lies?

    Trump, really?
    Trump promoted convalescent plasma.
    It was approved.
    Trump promoted Regeneron monoclonal antibodies.
    They were approved.
    Studies showed that the cheap drug dexamethasone is helpful. It was approved.

    The only drug that Trump endorsed at first and wasn't approved - or actually it was, temporarily but then it was revoked (because it doesn't work) was hydroxychloroquine. Then when he got sick, he didn't take it.

    LIes and more lies... are you being paid?
     
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    That's a somewhat dishonest half-truth. It's only considered "non-experimental" because of an emergency Presidential order.
    One person decided it wasn't experimental anymore.
     
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    Why do you claim studies are not being done on ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine?
     
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    We can't have contrarian ideas if they might not be in the public good, can we?

    See, this is the type of totalitarian religious thinking. You are so sure of your beliefs, so sure that your belief is the right one to save lives, that you can't allow other beliefs to be evaluated, which your beliefs tell you will kill people.

    But that makes your mentality stuck in a loop. You see that don't you?

    I see this same pattern repeat with all sorts of other issues, like the Global Warming issue.
     
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    Are you having some comprehension issues? I said studies ARE being done. That's an affirmative, not a negative. I've posted many. YOU are the one who says that studies are not being done, contrary to all evidence.
     
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    Contrary ideas are one thing.
    Blatant lies are another.
    Just in this short thread you told many lies.
    One: that the vaccines are experimental. Now we have a fully approved, no longer experimental vaccine.
    Two: that studies on ivermectin are not being done. LOL, I recently posted a meta-analysis with 10 studies and another one with, how many? I forgot. I think, 41. So that's 51 studies, and you lie saying that they aren't being done.
    Three: you say that anything that Trump proposed wasn't approved. Lie. Convalescent plasma and monoclonal antibodies were proposed by Trump and approved.
    Four: You say that nothing else is approved to say that only vaccines work. Dexamethasone was approved. Remdesivir was approved.

    So, it's not a matter of contrarian ideas. YOU LIE. Are you being paid?
     
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    Obviously your definition of "lies" is very different from mine.

    That alone illustrates there is a big inherent problem with the very idea of trying to control "misinformation".
     
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    These are not BELIEFS. These are scientific FACTS.
    The one with beliefs here, and false ones, is you, not me.
     
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    You presume many things are "scientific facts" that are actually not.

    I notice many on the Left presume all their beliefs are backed up by "Science".

    You know the Nazis believed their beliefs were backed up by "Science" too. Doesn't prove anything.

    Do you actually want to talk about studies? Because I see a lot more claims of "facts" than I do the results of studies.
     
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    Really?
    You just said that studies on ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are not being done. Lie. There are dozens.
    You just said that the vaccines are experimental. Lie. The FDA fully approved the Pfizer which is no longer experimental.
    You just said that everything that Trump proposed wasn't approved. Lie. He proposed monoclonal antibodies (Regeneron) and convalescent plasma. Both were approved.
    You just said that we don't approve anything so that only vaccines are said to work. We approved Remdesivir, and Dexamethasone.

    So, come again? Are you saying that these lies you mentioned, are not lies?

    Are you being paid to lie here?
     

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