Megyn Kelly destroys John Bolton on Iraq !

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  1. Marine1

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    Before Clinton, can you name me the last time the Democrats ever won twice in a row? You guys sound like you haven't lost an election in years. You just won twice after Bush won twice. Don't get your head so swollen.
     
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    That's fine.

    But it's not ended.

    Obama is sending 300 SF to Iraq and that may be only the big toe in the tar pit.

    Obama didnt end the war he only made it worse.
     
  3. Teutorian

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    You assume that an American military presence wouldn't inevitably see a reborn insurgency despite 80%+ of the Iraqi people wanting American military forces out of their country.
    You think that as long as the American soldier was OCCUPYING Iraq, the Iraqis would love their "democracy" and violence would never again break out.

    All wrong assumptions.

    America could pull out of Iraq or it could double down on retarded. Those were basically its only options.

    America is a domestic disaster and every pillar of its society is crumbling to pieces. With that said, one wonders where you find the time and wisdom to also rule people on the far side of the Earth.
     
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    Demographics have shifted dramatically. America will soon no longer by a `white nation.` How much longer do you expect creatures like Graham and McCain to win elections with a Hispanic/Black minority-majority?

    Oh, right.... I forgot.... You're going to turn them into Republicrats by telling them the Democrats are racist.....
    I had forgotten about this, your grand political strategy, so, like in 2012, I'm sure you're on the verge of a great conservative victory...

    The first of my lifetime.

    You have the left right where you want them now.
     
  5. Marine1

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    Lets look how Obama got elected. He lied his ass off. Promised everything to everybody. He changed his views to go with the people he was talking to. He spit the nation with lies. So sure, if you tell everyone everything they want to hear and promise them the moon, why not vote for him? I'd rather be honest and lose than be a liar and win. It's obvious Obama has no problem looking himself in the mirror each morning.
     
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    You mean he got elected the same way everyone else does?
    What do you call the 2000 Bush campaign that promised not to police the world and to revert to a form of American non-interventionalism?
    A "white lie"?

    I'm so sick of Americans pretending Obama is some unique exception to politics.

    Even if you do elect a Republican President in 2016 (the last, surely, considering American demographic realities), what are you expecting?
    If you're expecting anything but the Republican usual, which is leftwing social policy and wars for Israel, you're the definition of insane.
     
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    I didnt call for a new invasion of Iraq.

    But Obama better get off the golf course and lay off the political fund raisers till he finds a workable policy for what's going on now.

    Frankly I don't mind if Sunni's kill Shia or Shia kill Sunni.

    The fewer islams who walk away alive the better I like it.

    But if Isis takes control of the oil fields it won't be good for America.

    So sitting on our hands and doing nothing is not the best option either.
     
  8. Marine1

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    Well your right there. Obama has made sure America will no longer be a White nation. He has successfully begun the transfer to turn America into a second class nation. America is in a desperate battle with the other industrial nations of the earth. Who ever stays ahead with new technology will come out ahead. Tell me when it comes to new technology, inventions, medicines, etc. How does the Central and South American countries stack up. How many Nobel Prize winners are Hispanic? Of the most crime committed in America, what two races commit the most? Yes, we can eagerly look ahead to Whites being a minority and America being a second class nation. We'll give the Democrats all the credit for it.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lets also look besides what two races commit the most crime per capita. Both Blacks and Hispanics have the highest drop out rates. That's sure to help America in our race to stay ahead of other nations. But you Liberals see some great advantage of it. Good, just remember you wanted it. Some times we really do get what we wish for. I'm hoping you guys get yours. I'm old enough to not be around when it happens.
     
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    So the answer is to start bombing Iraqi civilians because if we do that we won't have a new ISIS in a few years, even more determined, than we do now?
    You're still not understanding cause and effect. I don't know why. All the time with the Republicans it's "If we can only bomb them and kill their children one more time, everything will be great for America."

    You've been fighting cave-dwellers for decades, and you've been losing to them.

    Just stop.

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    Marine, for the love of all that is holy....
    Are you seriously blaming the demographic shift on Obama? You don't remember Bush's wide open borders and push for amnesty? You don't remember Reagan's amnesty? The two American politicians who have been NICKNAMED for amnesty (McAmnesty and Grahamnesty) are BOTH Republicans.
     
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    Yawn...
     
  12. Channe

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    You are too big a fan of us meddling in foreign governments. We got rid of Saddam, the rest is up to the Iraqis. We shouldn't be in the business of holding their hand. If they failed to include Sunnis in their gov't, that's their mistake.
     
  13. Marine1

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    Reagan amnesty was for only one and a half million and done with the promise that we would secure our borders and make a law punishing employers who knowingly hire Illegals. Arizona has that law now and Obama sued us to try and stop it. He lost in the USSC, although all the Liberals on that court voted against Arizona. Democrats also promised they would never ask for amnesty and citizenship again.

    Ted Kennedy: 1986 Amnesty

    “In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, ‘This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.’ If Senator Kennedy lied to us then, how can we trust him now?” . “Attrition through enforcement is the only fair and feasible way to deal with the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens currently in the United States. This proposal guarantees only that the problem of illegal immigration will only grow exponentially as it did after the 1986 amnesty.”

    Bush never had wide open borders. He did try and get amnesty through and the Republicans turned him down. Bush also sent the National Guard to the border to build a wall
     
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    our days of nation building are done.
    Bush and Cheney have altered how Americans view our place in the world forever.
    we overstayed in Iraq and are paying the price for it.
    we need to mind our own business.
     
  15. Marine1

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    Your right it is their mistake. But we broke it and it was our job to fix it. It was pretty much fixed except getting more Sunnis involved in the government, so that there wouldn't be so much in fighting. You can absolve Obama of that responsibility, but I don't. That should be part of his foreign policy. Iraq was a new nation. It was finally a democracy where every Iraqi should have a say in government. When Obama saw that the Sunnis weren't getting that, and that attacks were going on within the country because of it, he should have put pressure on them to make sure they did. I don't know what you think a Presidents foreign policy should be, but I sure believe that should be part of it.
     
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    The left wingers are starting to become big fans of Fox News.
     
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    The irrefutable fact that I voted for Andre V. Marrou to protest the First Gulf war, and was against Operation Desert Fox, and could bring up a topic on 9/11 where I compared the endless sanctions to the Treaty of Versailles and feared a Hitler would rise up, and I have repeatedly said cold or hot but never the lukewarm “liberal” arts of war, and after 9/11 argued for a formal declaration of war instead of the authorization, is totally irrelevant now.

    Liberal black history says white terrorist Clinton caused the attacks of 9/11/2001; that God raised a messenger like the 17 of 19, and the Muslim world acted in jihad to defy the white terrorist Clinton’s actions.

    12/12/1997: "UN sanctions against Iraq were denounced as terrorism by Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan during a visit to Iraq, CNN reported." http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/971212/1997121240.html

    December 1997, South Movement: "'If the United Nations fails to respond to the Organization of the Islamic Conference (meeting in Tehran) then the Muslim world must act and defy these sanctions,' Farrakhan told an audience of union representatives in the Iraqi capital." (Louis Farrakhan) http://southmovement.alphalink.com.au/southnews/Dec12.htm

    Posted August 30, 2001 10:35 PM:
    September, 16th, 2001: "Whenever a nation becomes great and powerful by God’s Permission, as America has; whenever a nation becomes the undisputed ruler of the world, as America has, by Allah’s Permission; when a nation becomes the only remaining superpower, having the power to destroy other nations and people by the tens of thousands and millions, as Allah has permitted America the power to do, and that nation then has a spiritual lapse and begins to sink into moral decline, the Qur’an teaches that Allah (God) raises a messenger, but he raises that messenger from among the poor and the abject to guide and to warn the great and the powerful.

    Allah (God) knows that the powerful will not heed a warning coming from their ex-slave or from the weak or from the abject, so the Qur’an teaches that Allah (God) then seizes that nation with distress and affliction, that it might humble itself. For only in humility can the proud and the powerful heed the Guidance of God, which is mercy and grace from Himself. Allah (God) used this tragedy, hopefully, to bring a great nation to Himself." (Louis Farrakhan)
    http://www.africawithin.com/farrakhan/farrakhan_response_911.htm

    “In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared‘ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns.” http://www.cmaucc.org/EMRJeremiahWright2.pdf

    So if you want to blame Gorby for saying, “That is far enough,” starting the lukewarm “liberal” arts of war, and white terrorist Clinton for the two fatwas of war in response to his lukewarm “liberal” arts of war, fine, but we need to deal with the future NOW!
     
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    We are paying the price of Obama's inaction. Yes, Bush and Chaney will take the blame for it. But if Obama had done his job, it could have worked. Obama was sure quick enough to take credit for Iraq when all he did was follow what Bush said this country would do by pulling out on the date agreed on. But he did nothing to make sure it worked like it was set up to do. Deny it all you want, but you know it's the truth.
     
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    Fair and Balanced
     
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    no, we're just fans of logic and fairness.
    Fox News promotes neither.
     
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    Obama said he would get us out of Iraq and we elected him twice to do it.
    Just because you disagree with the majority of Americans isn't our or Obama's problem.
    Win an election and then you right wingers can do whatever you can.
    But until then, realize that Obama is an anti-war, twice elected president who is doing his job.
     
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    Your happy she went after those guys and I'm glad she called them out too. But when she calls out the other side, you say nothing but bad mouth Fox. You want fairness? Treat the truth the same way no matter who is saying it. Get mad if one lies, no matter what side it comes from.
     
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    We were basically out of Iraq when Obama got elected. Most of our troops were setting on bases doing nothing but waiting for the exit date Bush set. How many times does that need to be explained to you. Obama just pulled them on that date. He did nothing to stop the war of make a treaty. He just looked at the calendar and said, Well next week is the week Bush said we need to bring the troops home. Obama had nothing more to do with Iraq.
     
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    I'm still trying to figure out where Kelly " destroyed " Bolton. She made her points and he made his. It was an equal exchange.

    I think left wingers only give credibility to their side of an argument. So, when some prominent media figure argues their side, they automatically think their side destroyed the other. They simply don't listen to the response.

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    Except on the occasions they argue your point of view?
     
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    I might be willing to give Obama a pass on the Iraq mess had he not been actively involved in de-stabilizing Assad in Syria.

    Seeking out and arming the 'good rebels' in Syria has led to creating a wild west frontier in Eastern Syria, which has given ISIS the opening needed to make its move into Iraq.

    Without our meddling in Syria, there may have been unrest in Iraq anyway, but nothing on the scale we are seeing now.

    So, yes, the current Iraqi mess is Obama's. The only question in my mind is whether it is accidental or by design.
     

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