Neil deGrasse Tyson discusses peer review and scientific thinking

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  1. Pieces of Malarkey

    Pieces of Malarkey Well-Known Member

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    Oh, I'm very happy with the scientific method. Bring it all and let rational thought sort it out.
     
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    Pieces of Malarkey Well-Known Member

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    No, the one's who rely on self appointed experts are the ones who don't like the scientific method.
     
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    It's all there.

    Of course, journals don't have the space to publish it all, and most media are motivated by clicks, not science.
     
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    Pieces of Malarkey Well-Known Member

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    Correct. That's why "climate science" is so politicized. It's easy to bury anyone who disagrees.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    So, you want only YOUR view to be available?
     
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  6. Pieces of Malarkey

    Pieces of Malarkey Well-Known Member

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    No, never much cared if people disagreed with me. To me, that's how one learns.
     
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    Correction - he shows how SOME papers are reviewed - the 10,000 retraction number certainly suggests they all DO adhere to his explanation.
     
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    The problem though is that many are not rational.
     
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    There's now a book about how broken is peer review.
    Rescuing Science: Restoring Trust in an Age of Doubt was the most difficult book I've ever written. I'm a cosmologist—I study the origins, structure, and evolution of the Universe. I love science. I live and breathe science. If science were a breakfast cereal, I'd eat it every morning. And at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, I watched in alarm as public trust in science disintegrated.

    But I don't know how to change people's minds. I don't know how to convince someone to trust science again. So as I started writing my book, I flipped the question around: is there anything we can do to make the institution of science more worthy of trust?

    The short answer is yes. The long answer takes an entire book. In the book, I explore several different sources of mistrust—the disincentives scientists face when they try to communicate with the public, the lack of long-term careers, the complicitness of scientists when their work is politicized, and much more—and offer proactive steps we can take to address these issues to rebuild trust. . . .
     
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    Only trouble is that you have not demonstrated you know what is actually meant by the “scientific method” otherwise you would be acknowledging the expertise of bodies like the IPCC
     
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    I REALLY don’t think that book is going to be what you think it is lols!!
     
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    10,000 out of how many published each year? I mean if there is only 100,000 papers published each year then that is problematic but we are talking a world wide phenomena here over hundreds of disciplines

    https://publishingstate.com/how-man...million,papers published yearly is staggering.

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    oooo less than 0.5%. Which includes papers from Asian “paper mills”
     
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    So you agree that many of those disagreeing with the science are actually being funded by fossil fuel companies?
     
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    On the contrary, it's exactly what I think it is.
     
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    The IPCC is a political body.
     
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    Your prejudice is showing.
     
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    Yes Energy and Environment, which published mostly papers from the likes of Willie Soon and “Lord” Monckton was a complete scandal. It published so called papers trying to debunk climate change. Fortunately the science community caught the double dealing and would not cite the papers
     
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    Proof? I mean it is beholden to world governments plural so……. But I will give you this the Arab nations have used political power to try and water down the findings. I can give links to that - can you give examples of governments trying to use the findings to somehow do what? I mean dealing with climate change costs money - a point you are constantly making so why would governments commit suicide if they didn’t have to??
     
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    Not prejudice when you know the facts
     
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    Oh! Lols! Can’t wait until you read it then and may I suggest you go back and reread the excerpt you posted and THIS time read it all. Lols!
     
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    Energy and Environment is still publishing.
     
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    Then it's prejudice indeed.
     
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    The point is that I have read it all and I'm fine with it.
     
  24. Pieces of Malarkey

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    Baloney. The IPCC is a political body, not a scientific one.

    You need to learn the difference.
     
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    Nope. I agree that the IPCC is currently the most dangerous political organization in the world.
     
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