New here. Are there any liberals who could explain their economic theory to me?

Then I would be a Democrat Politician....Union Boss.....or Career Criminal...

Im getting it in exchange for my labor......am I entitled to the fruits of my labor?
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So if I pay taxes and the recipient of my taxes gives you my money... you benefited off my labor. So are you a Democrat?

But where is the money coming from? What if it is coming from other peoples taxes? So who is entitled to it?

 

There isnt really any "kind of" about it......

The government stole burgers from Dave (R) and gave them to Bob (D)......the government promoted Bob's Welfare .....not Dave's. Dave just got to pay for it.....

Dave's charity should come willingly....not at the end of a Government gun.....what your advocating has nothing to do with Freedom and everything to do with Tyranny.

"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare,
and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare,
they may take the care of religion into their own hands;
they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish
and pay them out of their public treasury;
they may take into their own hands the education of children,
establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union;
they may assume the provision of the poor;
they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads;
in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation
down to the most minute object of police,
would be thrown under the power of Congress.... Were the power
of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for,
it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature
of the limited Government established by the people of America."

--James Madison--Conservative--Founder--Hater of Liberals--Great American


"It would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America"

...pretty powerful warning wasnt it?.....
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And why was the recipient of your taxes......exempt from paying taxes? Why was his welfare promoted over yours?

All duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

If we were strictly Promoting or Providing for The GENERAL Welfare.......why would you be getting other people's taxes?

Do you now see why the Government the Founders envisioned and the Government Democrats created are at complete opposite ends of the spectrum?
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But what if my money came from another persons taxes? I don't think you understand where this is going.

So you are against all taxation? You should be in jail for trying to steal from the country you freeloading hippie!!

 

Why would you be getting other people's money? Becaues the government felt like giving you some?

Im already at the finish line waiting.....

Did I say I was against all taxation?

Next.....
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To: Daybreaker and Akphildet2007

From: James Madison--Conservative--Founder--Father of The Constitution--Hater of Liberals--Great American

With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.

The government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.”

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No, because the person the Govt gave money to gave me that money. So who's money is it?

 

Sounds like "the person" was having his welfare promoted over everyone else.......why else would the government be giving him money and not you and I--The General Welfare?

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akphidelt2007 I gotcha man.......Game Set Match......

.......it would probably be easier for you at this point to just admit your disagreement and disdain for The Founders and The Constitution.

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You are dodging the question obviously. The Govt spent $3.7 trillion this year and consisted of almost 40% of GDP while employing 19 million American's.... almost all of which our taxes paid for. So are you saying all those people that end up with our taxes after the original recipient spends it deserve to keep our money? Maybe you aren't getting this. Maybe all our money comes from each other and maybe the money we make to pay taxes comes from taxes.

Ever think of logic Einstein?

 

No your setting a premis that wouldnt exist under a government that promotes the general welfare......

......Why would you have my tax dollars....unless it was your welfare being promoted over mine?

Why would the original recipient of your tax dollars.......have your tax dollars? Did the government just feel like giving him some of your money?

I told you....Im already at the finish line....thats me with the checkered flag.

Are Free Americans entitled to the money they make?

Or is it the role of government to make sure every American makes no more or less than 40,000?
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Liberal economics, nice, well you have to start with the basics, there are a few core groups of liberals, the so-called intelligentsia, lower classes, and whatever fool they can sucker in by guilt, guile, lies, or bribes. Out of this the so-called intelligentsia make a plan, which totally excludes themselves, but the core plan always takes from someone else to give to the lower classes and the fools they suckered in, thereby gaining support. Once they have support they attempt to use taxes to steal from hard working people to give to their leeches, of course excluding the intelligentsia, although a few members will pretend that's unjust and blame someone with more wealth to give it up first and they'll follow suit later... Then they promise free stuff, lots of free stuff, and the lower classes and suckers gobble it up. At the same time they promote concepts, with no intention of making the concepts into reality, like equality, better education, better housing, whatever the leeches and suckers want, then they screw over the leeches and suckers and make them dependent and tell them only by taking more from those rich bastards can we give you more free stuff. Cycle continues until everyone is equally poor.

 

It isn't an excuse for anyone to ignore our supreme law of the land. Where is there any general power to provide for the general warfare or the common offense?

 

There is no power to provide for general welfare.

 

How can that be possible under any form of Capitalism but not Socialism? Even public roads can benefit one over the other.

How much benefit does a non-wealthy person receive from tax loopholes large enough to drive a yacht through?

 

The power to provide for the general welfare is a specifically enumerated, general power delegated to our federal Congress in Article 1, Section 8 and is consistent with the federal doctrine, but not the republican doctrine.

Have you noticed that even the republicans, claiming to subscribe to their own doctrine, cannot seem to be moral enough to bear true witness to their own, republican doctrine?

 

You're simply repeating the same lie, over and over. Madison, the very Father of the Constitution, explained this to you in detail. All 13 States signed onto it. You cannot re-write history, sorry.

 

Ooooh boy!

Regardless if your democrat or republican regardless is your black or white, you don't get to pick any other than what they allow you to pick!

You have a home grown fascist dictatorship, and more's the pity, most Americans don't even know!

The American dream...... !

Most taxes are raised illegally and large sum's are given to those that dictate your political policies home and abroad not to mention sponsors the politicians your allowed to vote democrat or republican.

Who just happen to be foreigners and a fifth column elements who have the interest of a foreign nation uppermost in there minds! AIPAC!#

Regards
Highlander

 

Personally, I feel that a mixture of capitalism, with some socialist regulations to protect the people from government and corporate corruption is the way to go.

For example, I feel that corporations and other private organizations, should not be allowed to donate to political campaigns. Only voting entities should be allowed to donate, which means that inidividuals are the only ones allowed to...No businesses, no unions, no churches, and no PACs.

Another example of my economic beliefs is that I feel that welfare should be heavily regulated. Drug addicts should not be allowed any welfare unless they are actively taking part in a rehab program, and welfare money should never be allowed to buy anything that is no necessary for survival. No tabacco or alcohol, and there should be a limit on what kinds of clothing and food a person can buy. I don't want a person on welfare spending 200 bucks on a pair of Jordans. Name brands should be severely limited. The only welfare that would be exempt from many of these laws would be WIC and other programs meant to aid children. However, these programs would have laws in place that force the money to be used ONLY for children. Anyone caught buying things that are not directly used for the care of their kids would be arrested for fraud.

A third example would be that I believe in the creation of non-tax revenue. There are many ways to increase revenue without raising income tax....
1; Legalizing, regulating, and taxing drugs and prostitution is a great one. Not only would this add revneue, but it would decrease crime rates. No one is going to use a street hooker, or buy from a drug dealer if they can get what they want legally. Drugs cartels and street pimps would lose power and money almost immediately.
2; Release all non-violent drugs convicts from prison, and give them full pardons for any and all non-violent drug crimes on their records. This would clear out the prisons and save billions in tax money.
3; Outlaw subsidies to private organizations. Tax money should never be used to cover the costs of private businesses....
3; Outlaw bailouts.....The only reason any of the banks or corporations were bailed out is because corrupt politicians wanted to keep their bribe money flowing in. They did not want companies like GM tpo go out of business because it would mean that smaller companies, which can't afford to pay the billions of dollars that corporations can afford, would take their place. We should let capitalism run it's course and let GM and other companies that blow their money fall and die. That is what they deserve if they waste their money on bonuses for executives instead of paying off their bills.

 

Or the biggest snout at the trough can destroy the very foundations humanity is built! AAAaah...Capitalism!
Nothing works, but a balance in anything is better that seeing ones own nation starve as the Americans are now doing. Waiting for Chevez to bring charitable works to America rather than America looking after its own nation! Charity begins at home..... unless your American!

You get free God and Corrupt businesses which own your infrastructure!

Standup and say any different.... your black listed and unemployable.... so much for American democracy!

Your fascist state needs to be look at and addressed by the American people.... if only any American had the balls!

Regards
Highlander

 

Which lie is that? I don't have to resort to fallacy for my Cause, unlike those of your point of view. Here are the specifically enumerated general powers delegated to our federal Congress.

 

You are confused. "General Welfare of the United States" does not mean "general Welfare of the People".

 

Why so disingenuous; We the People established the United States.

 

Post offices and post roads are one of their few enumerated powers.....

......if the Founders had intended the government to steal from one American to simply give it to another......they would have said so.

The benefit of not paying 90% of all income taxes.......while getting government freebies.

Thats why all taxes should be equal.....flat.....as the Founders intended.
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